What Refugees Bring When They Run for Their Lives

Re:What Refugees Bring When They Run for Their Lives by Yetanfou on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @03:34AM (#10225165)

May I suggest looking up statistics on rape in Norway and Sweden before you formulate your next answer? It has been rather well documented - even though both Norway and Sweden tend to try to hide ethnicity (especially when a non-native is involved, leading to the suspicion that absence of information on ethnicity implies foreign origin of the perpetrator) - that the large majority of rape cases (Sweden: 85%, 2006 [1], Norway 'all reported rape cases committed by non-western immigrants', 2007-2009 [2]) in these countries involve non-western immigrants or their first-generation offspring. This problem will not be solved by looking away. Now that these people seem to be there to stay it is adamant that this problem is solved - not by ignoring it but by acting decisively. Denying a problem does not equal acting upon it. Blaming the victim does not do so either. Trying to mollify the circumstances is counterproductive.

[1] https://www.bra.se/bra/publikationer/arkiv/publikationer/200... [2] http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/04/15/nyheter/voldtekt/innenrik...

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Re:What Refugees Bring When They Run for Their Lives by mrkickling on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @04:04AM (#10225267)

No, the report says nothing like that. It says that immigrants have a 4.5 times higher possibility of being suspscted of rape. This does not mean that 85% of all rape cases are committed by non-western immigrants. This is of course troubling though.

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Re:What Refugees Bring When They Run for Their Lives by tobr on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @03:53AM (#10225228)

> Sweden: 85%, 2006 [1]

You're citing a report from december 2005 for statistics from 2006?

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Re:What Refugees Bring When They Run for Their Lives by Steko on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @03:45AM (#10225197)

Shouting 'rape town!' helps though, gotcha!

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Re:What Refugees Bring When They Run for Their Lives by Yetanfou on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @03:55AM (#10225236)

That is what you get when a normal, level-headed discussion on a subject is not allowed. Merely breaching the subject in public invites accusations of racism, xenophobia and discrimination. That is not helpful as it is clear that the problem does exist. That problem needs to be solved, not ignored or hidden under a false blanket of understanding. A crime is a crime, no matter whether the perpetrator is a native-born or immigrant.

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Re:What Refugees Bring When They Run for Their Lives by Steko on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @04:09AM (#10225286)

'Rape town!' is not normal level headed discussion on the subject. If you want serious debate I'd suggest you can start by not defending the comment that's clearly overstepped the boundary on what constitutes serious debate.

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Re:What Refugees Bring When They Run for Their Lives by librvf on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @12:24PM (#10227759)

The poster who originally wrote those words, wrote them in context of a much larger post. (That phrase was 0.8% of the entire posts by word count). That post was written in response to a propaganda article [0] that got 130+ upvotes. You can't expect a response to propaganda to not include at least a little rhetoric.

And as far as the quality of discussion, the point it really went downhill was when this responder seized on that one small sentence (0.8% of the post!) and responded with pure empty rhetoric: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10225065

> If you want serious debate I'd suggest you can start by not defending the comment that's clearly overstepped the boundary on what constitutes serious debate.

No. If you want serious debate, don't defend a comment that skimmed a thoughtful contribution to cherry-pick the most potentially objectionable bit of rhetoric and then posture off an out-of-context quote of it. And, don't repeat that same mistake.

[0] http://www.carryology.com/bags/whats-in-my-bag-what-refugees...

TeamCarryology: @Brad, I think you've missed the point entirely. Through this piece, and by using 'carry'as a thread, we're able to bring this 'serious' and dire crisis to the attention of our 130K + readers, in the hope that they may take interest in these people and visit the International Rescue Committee to learn more.

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Re:What Refugees Bring When They Run for Their Lives by zensavona on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @04:37AM (#10225378)

Yes but you can't say that because we have built such a PC hugbox of a world that nobody wants to hear it.

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