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Re:NASA Struggles Over Deep-Space Plutonium Power by psswrdshmashwrd on Tuesday September 15, 2015 @09:43AM (#10220535)
Two words: Thorium reactor.
Re:NASA Struggles Over Deep-Space Plutonium Power by cstross on Tuesday September 15, 2015 @09:55AM (#10220609)
Please explain how you would design a thorium reactor to produce 238Pu suitable for use in RTGs.

Please explain how you would build a shiny new thorium reactor with 238Pu production capability on a budget competitive with the existing DoE 237Np -> 238Pu transmutation process in an existing research reactor.

Re:NASA Struggles Over Deep-Space Plutonium Power by jb55 on Tuesday September 15, 2015 @03:17PM (#10222592)
Re:NASA Struggles Over Deep-Space Plutonium Power by psswrdshmashwrd on Tuesday September 15, 2015 @10:06AM (#10220682)
Please see: Liquid fluoride thorium reactor
Re:NASA Struggles Over Deep-Space Plutonium Power by jobu on Tuesday September 15, 2015 @10:42AM (#10220894)
The wikipedia page doesn't say much about Pu-238, but there is this under the "Proliferation resistance" bullet:

"...LFTRs produce very little plutonium, around 15 kg per gigawatt-year of electricity (this is the output of a single large reactor over a year). This plutonium is also mostly Pu-238..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reacto...

In a LFTR the fuels are dissolved in liquid salts, so the downside is it may be very difficult to separate out the Pu-238 for use.

Re:NASA Struggles Over Deep-Space Plutonium Power by humbleMouse on Tuesday September 15, 2015 @10:11AM (#10220723)
Yeah, weird why that is getting down-voted.
Re:NASA Struggles Over Deep-Space Plutonium Power by PhantomGremlin on Tuesday September 15, 2015 @01:48PM (#10222038)
It should get down-voted.

The original post was two words. Okay, cute. But then the subsequent "explanation" was four words.

There should have been at least a sentence or two of explanation. At the minimum there could have been a link to Wikipedia. That's common courtesy.

Most people don't come to HN to spend decades learning obscure things, very slowly, from Zen masters.

Re:NASA Struggles Over Deep-Space Plutonium Power by rexignis on Tuesday September 15, 2015 @09:55AM (#10220612)
Every time someone gets all giggly about Thorium I'm suspicious. Could you provide some documentation about why this is a viable option in space?
Re:NASA Struggles Over Deep-Space Plutonium Power by Vexs on Tuesday September 15, 2015 @10:05AM (#10220674)
AFAIK it's because they last a long time with very small amounts of reactants, are low maintenance, and are potentially very small. I mean, it kinda makes sense but RTGs are better for space applications because you really don't need massive amounts of power in space, plus the whole "power forever with no effort" aspect; they might as well be perpetual motion engines.
Re:NASA Struggles Over Deep-Space Plutonium Power by psswrdshmashwrd on Tuesday September 15, 2015 @10:04AM (#10220666)
I agree thorium isn't without its problems, but the end byproduct of a lftr reactor is plutonium.
Re:NASA Struggles Over Deep-Space Plutonium Power by oppositelock on Tuesday September 15, 2015 @10:21AM (#10220774)
LFTR's produce 239Pu (among a mess of other stuff), that's the stuff that goes BOOM in nuclear bombes, not 238Pu that glows warmly to make power for spacecraft.
Re:NASA Struggles Over Deep-Space Plutonium Power by Roodgorf on Tuesday September 15, 2015 @12:05PM (#10221399)
As Jobu points out from Wikipedia: he second proliferation resistant feature comes from the fact that LFTRs produce very little plutonium, around 15 kg per gigawatt-year of electricity ... This plutonium is also mostly Pu-238. According the article this seems like quite a bit more than is currently being produced, is it not viable for use in RTGs for some reason? Or is the cost of a LFTR over the course of a year less cost effective than the current method of Np to Pu?

I have very little knowledge of the science here, I'm just not sure what all I'm missing.

Re:NASA Struggles Over Deep-Space Plutonium Power by Symmetry on Tuesday September 15, 2015 @02:03PM (#10222174)
I have no idea what you're getting at here. If you mean we should use a Thorium reactor to generate Plutonium then others have explained why that's impossible. If you mean that we should use a Thorium reactor instead of a Plutonium RTG then that also wouldn't work, the smallest reactor is still way heavier than an RTG.
Re:NASA Struggles Over Deep-Space Plutonium Power by obfk on Tuesday September 15, 2015 @10:00AM (#10220639)
The Thorium Dream (Documentary): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ9Ll5EX1jc