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Re:Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot by TazeTSchnitzel on Monday September 14, 2015 @09:04AM (#10214829)
One problem is what demographics futurists tend to be. White men are less likely to imagine a future with full gender equality and black liberation than black women are, I would imagine. People living in the West will think less about the rise of the rest of the world.
Re:Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot by klagermkii on Monday September 14, 2015 @10:04AM (#10215086)
Or perhaps it's the reverse. If you ask "white men" about the liberation status of women/minorities, you're probably going to find them MORE likely to say that equality has already been achieved. So when they write stories, they'll write them as if everyone is equal and living the same utopian dream they are.

On the other hand if someone comes from a background where they feel oppressed, they're going to write that into their work.

That's part of the point of the article. People continue to extrapolate from what they view culture currently is, as if it continues indefinitely into the future. I think based on that "white men" are going to view it as being more pleasant and fair (i.e. their own experience) than minorities.

Re:Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot by TazeTSchnitzel on Monday September 14, 2015 @10:07AM (#10215100)
That's true. People from oppressed groups are more pessimistic about the future.

Or, well, pessimistic at all. One of the weird things about the post-war West is most people honestly expect the future to be better.

Re:Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot by forgottenpass on Monday September 14, 2015 @11:39AM (#10215598)
I don't know that I can agree with this assessment. Large-scale social norms change always seem impossible N years before they become so ingrained to seem unshakable.

So "impossible to imagine" strikes me as an uncharitable characterization. I can imagine that vegetarianism becomes a moral norm, and I can imagine how the change could happen, but that's entirely disconnected from my doubt it will happen. I also remember the time in my life when gay rights weren't the foregone conclusion they've been for the last 10 years.

If we look at the distribution of shifting societal attitudes, there is going to be some threshold that turns things from "wishful thinking" to "probably going to happen." Without knowing what the information available at the time, and methodology used was generate the prediction, lying any blame at the feet of white/male/rich strikes me as applying a currently politically fashionable one size fits all explanation.

Re:Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot by m0v_eax on Monday September 14, 2015 @09:30AM (#10214922)
Unnecessary generalizations..
Re:Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot by TazeTSchnitzel on Monday September 14, 2015 @09:47AM (#10215010)
Unnecessary? This is not a novel suggestion about the problems with futurists. It may be a generalisation, but it's pretty accurate generally. People privileged in some way aren't going to think much about that privilege. The rich won't envision a future with less (or more) poverty.
Re:Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot by m0v_eax on Monday September 14, 2015 @06:12PM (#10217853)
What data or study do you have to backup your baseless generalizations?

It may be a generalisation, but it's pretty accurate generally. — [citation needed]

The rich won't envision a future with less (or more) poverty. — [citation needed]

White men are less likely to imagine a future with full gender equality and black liberation than black women are — [citation needed]

People living in the West will think less about the rise of the rest of the world. — [citation needed]

Re:Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot by stillsut on Monday September 14, 2015 @10:32AM (#10215234)
Check out "The Other Foot" [0] by Ray Bradbury.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Illustrated_Man

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Re:Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot by drumdance on Monday September 14, 2015 @10:38AM (#10215262)
This is a non-sequitur. The point is not "they should get their own futurists." It's that one particular perspective is often wrong.
Re:Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot by ManFromUranus on Monday September 14, 2015 @11:24AM (#10215511)
Non it's not a non-sequitur as I am not replying to the article but to another poster. My reply is relevant to theirs. The point of the article is that we get cultural changes wrong or don't account for changes in culture the way we anticipate changes in technology. The comment I am replying to makes racist generalizations about white people and what the white people and western world are able to imagine. I imagine if one goes to Thailand you would find media and cultural creations that relate to Thai people and their future, or in China the same thing, Chinese people and their future. Would the parent poster make a similar stupid comment about Chinese men can't imagine the future of women or black liberation?
Re:Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot by gress on Monday September 14, 2015 @11:49AM (#10215650)
So your response was to write a comment filled with obviously racist invective attacking black people in general.

Quote: "Maybe if they spent more time DOING things and less time complaining about white people there would be more futurists/engineers/painters/doctors etc instead we have BlackLivesMatter doing die-in's in shopping malls or protesting the deaths of career criminals..."

Perhaps the original commenter is accidentally committing a subtle act of prejudice, but you are being overtly racist.

Noting that the original commenter may or may not be black, Your choice to attack black people is independent of your concern about the potential prejudice in the original comment.

At least this makes it clear where you stand; your comment was not about fighting prejudice.

Re:Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot by ManFromUranus on Monday September 14, 2015 @01:02PM (#10216069)
Pure hyperbole, and incorrect at that, and it's equally clear where you stand.

In case you are still reading: The poster I was replying to didn't commit a subtle act of prejudice, they made an overtly racist statement about white men. Then claimed that white men can't envision a future of black liberation. That's literally what they said, I responded to that comment.

I am saying that instead of futurism (and other cultural works), the focus of a lot of black people and their effort seems to be civil rights activities. These civil rights activities have an opportunity cost, while you're doing die-ins at the mall you may not have time to write about the future. So therefore we don't have as much of a black vision of the future because they (black people) aren't spending their effort on that.

My comment was about fighting prejudice, prejudice against white people. That sort of behavior is totally kosher on the internet and in the mainstream media and it's very PC and fashionable to bash "white people" and their culture (when it's admitted that they even have a culture). I have gotten pretty sick of it.

Re:Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot by gress on Monday September 14, 2015 @01:09PM (#10216096)
Saying that more black people would be doctors if they complained less is absolutely racist. Do you not see that?

You claim oppression is fictional - so I guess it's possible you don't.

You say you are pointing at the opportunity costs of protesting oppression. They are only opportunity costs if the oppression is not real - otherwise they may be part of a necessary struggle to obtain opportunity. Do you really think that there is no anti-black racism?

You may be fed up with people bashing white people on the internet - I am too. But that is no excuse for making overtly racist statements against black people, a behavior which is certainly counterproductive to what you claim to be your true aim.

Re:Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot by ManFromUranus on Monday September 14, 2015 @04:29PM (#10217278)
Could I realistically state any justifiable criticism of anything related to black people and not be racist in your book? I am leaning toward no.
Re:Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot by gress on Monday September 14, 2015 @04:49PM (#10217373)
How do you justify the criticisms you actually did make?
Re:Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot by caskance on Monday September 14, 2015 @10:40AM (#10215274)
They do, you just dismiss their futurism as "anti-white rhetoric, and hypothesizing about fictional oppression" because it's not sufficiently similar to the futurism someone in your position might come up with.
Re:Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot by ManFromUranus on Monday September 14, 2015 @10:56AM (#10215361)
Name some of them then. I haven't read any content by black futurists (that I was aware of).
Re:Why Futurism Has a Cultural Blindspot by GFK_of_xmaspast on Monday September 14, 2015 @11:55AM (#10215682)