Re:State court orders Kickstarted game creator to pay $54k f...
by potatolicious on Saturday September 12, 2015 @12:04AM
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The project itself is almost always also the reward.
e.g., "$50 tier, get a copy of the game"
Unless none of the reward tiers involve the project itself, and are all things like t-shirts and stickers...
Re:State court orders Kickstarted game creator to pay $54k f...
by Ded7xSEoPKYNsDd on Saturday September 12, 2015 @03:48AM
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I disagree. "5$ donation, get nothing" wouldn't require a refund.
The project purpose is to make a game. That's separate from the reward tier "get a copy of the game". So if the project fails, the backers who bought a copy of said game need to get a refund.
Re:State court orders Kickstarted game creator to pay $54k f...
by jsprogrammer on Saturday September 12, 2015 @02:38AM
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This is some interesting wording. How can a third party enter separate parties into a contract?
Do projects really setup their own contracts with their funders?
Re:State court orders Kickstarted game creator to pay $54k f...
by codingdave on Saturday September 12, 2015 @11:21AM
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Contracts fall under civil law. There is no statutory definition of what constitutes offers and acceptance. So in this case, were I a lawyer, I'd argue that the TOS is a legal contract, and by using the site, you have implicitly agreed to the definition of contract acceptance specified in the TOS.
Whether it holds up in court is a different question, but this lawsuit at least gave a precedent.
Re:State court orders Kickstarted game creator to pay $54k f...
by jsprogrammer on Sunday September 13, 2015 @03:25AM
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Do you have any examples of implicit acceptance of arbitrary contracts merely through accessing a network resource?
Re:State court orders Kickstarted game creator to pay $54k f...
by codingdave on Sunday September 13, 2015 @09:38AM
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Of course not - The contract would be made when money was exchanged, not when the site was accessed.
Re:State court orders Kickstarted game creator to pay $54k f...
by jsprogrammer on Sunday September 13, 2015 @03:28PM
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Sure, but the money is exchanged between kickstarter and the participants (backers and makers). The participants don't exchange directly with each other.
Re:State court orders Kickstarted game creator to pay $54k f...
by codingdave on Monday September 14, 2015 @07:30AM
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Yup, that is a likely counter argument to be made in court if anyone ever sues over these issues. As I said, though, this is civil law, so it would come down to how lawyers argue it and what judges think. In civil cases, answers are rarely black and white.
I'm not convinced. The section you referenced pertains to the backing rewards only. They are, and always seem to have been, very hands-off about the delivery of the project.