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Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by cozzyd on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @07:49PM (#10195396)
My lab is moving to a new building that was to have wireless flat panel displays on the wall for all professors, each occupying a different band. As we work on RF detectors, this was not ideal, so we (and some other groups) complained and now everyone will have wired displays instead. Small victories...
Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by quietplatypus on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @11:33PM (#10196029)
Wireless flat panels? Thats quite excessive. I bet you cant even get good bandwidth out of them. Wonder if in the near future complex configurations of directed wireless equipment will become a fire hazard lol
Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by tdaltonc on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @08:33PM (#10195539)
How does the ethos of "I can do what I want with my tech" interact with this problem?

I guess it's analogous to saying "it's your stereo. Play what you like, but keep it down after 10PM or your neighbors will report you."

Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by userbinator on Thursday September 10, 2015 @12:29AM (#10196152)
This article also reminds me of the recent discussion on a proposal to make router firmware modifications illegal.

( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10139679 , https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9959088 , https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10137470 )

Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by cperciva on Thursday September 10, 2015 @01:07AM (#10196221)
Another example: Wireless phone chargers.

Now, the fact that wireless chargers emit RF energy is hardly surprising -- that's how they work -- but I was still surprised when I found that my new charger completely obliterates the AM radio band within a 3' radius.

Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by frgewut on Thursday September 10, 2015 @04:37AM (#10196815)
It's probably caused by induction in the radio's circuits, not by charger emitting radio waves.
Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by cperciva on Thursday September 10, 2015 @01:10PM (#10199253)
Perhaps, but wouldn't that affect FM reception too? I only get interference when tuned to the AM band.
Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by ahh on Sunday September 13, 2015 @07:13PM (#10213096)
FM capture, perhaps? FM reception is naturally much more resilient to interference so long as the absolute magnitude of the interfering signal is lower.
Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by superkuh on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @08:57PM (#10195601)
You can do this kind of thing yourself with a $10 rtlsdr dvbt dongle, NMEA GPS, laptop and various software. The most commonly used is Eartoearoak's rtlsdr-scanner: http://eartoearoak.com/software/rtlsdr-scanner

NW0W has also done a lot of work on mapping powerline interference with rtlsdr dongles in multiple blog posts. An older represenative example is at: http://blog.dxers.info/2015/01/driveby-system-live-on-road.h...

tautology2 showed his visualization implementation + code over at: https://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/2hbjyt/gsm_heatmap_...

Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by trhway on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @08:11PM (#10195469)
omnidirectionality is a luxury. Beam forming and directional scanning listening will become a new norm.
Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by Animats on Thursday September 10, 2015 @02:17AM (#10196354)
Outdoors on cell towers, yes. Not that helpful indoors. Reflections dominate. Diversity antennas are more useful indoors, because it's rare that both are in a reflection null.
Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by trhway on Thursday September 10, 2015 @05:17AM (#10196947)
more than 10 years ago some company was doing adaptive beam forming WiFi routers/switches, and what i remember reading about them is that actual direction of the beam for a given connection wasn't necessarily the geographical straight to the other end of the connection, instead it was whatever direction was adaptively found, and that frequently meant very non-straightforward mulitply reflected path. The beauty was that beam power at the "total multi-segmented reflected/bounced" length of the path could still be much higher than onmidirectionally transmitted power even at the lesser distance.
Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by tdaltonc on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @08:26PM (#10195517)
Can you do that without moving parts?
Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by jws on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @08:28PM (#10195524)
Yes. Phased arrays are just that.
Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by planteen on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @09:11PM (#10195640)
Not very power efficient, though.
Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by cozzyd on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @09:46PM (#10195763)
Nor space efficient... (depending on the wavelength).
Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by Animats on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @09:28PM (#10195697)
Don't worry about it. The "internet of things" is mostly stuff you don't need anyway. If your toaster has connectivity problems and can't reach the "cloud", and refuses to toast, you probably didn't need it anyway.
Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by pravda on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @10:37PM (#10195897)
How am I supposed to know if my toast is ready? Go over and look? What year is it ... 1934?

I will overlook the conspicuous absence of flying cars, but the year is 2015 and I want an email when my toast is done!

Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by PakG1 on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @11:06PM (#10195966)
Email? What is this, 1995? Send a notification to my smartphone's app!
Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by ddddddddq on Thursday September 10, 2015 @01:02AM (#10196209)
It only needs access to: Calendar, Internet, SMS, Profile, Start on Boot, Location, Microphone, Call Log, etc...
Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by thfuran on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:55AM (#10198408)
One of the things I miss most about college was that the dorm washers emailed me when the laundry was done. Haven't gotten around to setting that up myself.
Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by Qantourisc on Thursday September 10, 2015 @02:19AM (#10196361)
In Europe we have EMI emission norms, and commercial products have to be tested for this. Either the US is using different products, or the norms are not strong enough ?
Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by PinguTS on Thursday September 10, 2015 @03:14AM (#10196515)
As I am involved in defining such standards for industrial applications as an expert at the German national committee, I can tell you, the US has the same standards. Because those standards are harmonized within the IEC.
Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by hjgjhgg8tt7 on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @08:03PM (#10195442)
Re:Electronic Noise Is Drowning Out the Internet of Things by tdaltonc on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @08:28PM (#10195522)
Even with these sorts of optimizations, bandwidth is finite.