Re:The New, Terrifying, No-Electronics US Flight Security Rules
by plinkplonk on Monday December 28, 2009 @12:09PM
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"You can say it, but legalized discrimination goes against every value a Free society has."
I completely agree. I was careful to make the point that discrimination is NOT ok even if 100% of terrorist acts in the world were by Muslims because the number of people who are decent citizens far outweigh the terrorists, just as the number of decent communists far outweighed the Red- Terror-kill-all-capitalists folks and McCarthyism was not an acceptable solution either.
I was reacting to your "But only Muslims commit terrorist attacks." That is an exaggeration of the claim made by those who would advocate legal discrimination. Mischaracterizing your opponents' arguments (no matter how distasteful their ideologies are) isn't the right way (imo) to refute their ideas. You do it again with
" 0.00% of Christians commit terrorist attacks. 0.00% of Muslims commit terrorist attacks. "
Most muslim terrorists are educated in madrassas where they study their religion for a long time. Saudi Arabia and Iran (and to a lesser extent, Pakistan), where much of Islamic terrorism originates are the terrorism originates are theocracies or hevaily theocratic. Their motivation, training, goals and methods are all influenced by religion are religious. To deny that there is a religious element to Islamic terrorism is an extreme position not justified by facts. You could argue that this isn't "True Islam", but that is a different argument.
Again I completely agree with your idea that "Muslims must NOT be discriminated against" idea. Such discrimination is against everything Western Democracy (and human decency) stand for.
I am still disturbed by Islam as a political and social ideology dictating how others should submit to the "true believers". I guess I just don't go to extremes in either direction. Some social visions are dangerous.
All that said, I will now follow my own advice of keeping politics off HN! Peace!
I completely agree. I was careful to make the point that discrimination is NOT ok even if 100% of terrorist acts in the world were by Muslims because the number of people who are decent citizens far outweigh the terrorists, just as the number of decent communists far outweighed the Red- Terror-kill-all-capitalists folks and McCarthyism was not an acceptable solution either.
I was reacting to your "But only Muslims commit terrorist attacks." That is an exaggeration of the claim made by those who would advocate legal discrimination. Mischaracterizing your opponents' arguments (no matter how distasteful their ideologies are) isn't the right way (imo) to refute their ideas. You do it again with
" 0.00% of Christians commit terrorist attacks. 0.00% of Muslims commit terrorist attacks. "
Most muslim terrorists are educated in madrassas where they study their religion for a long time. Saudi Arabia and Iran (and to a lesser extent, Pakistan), where much of Islamic terrorism originates are the terrorism originates are theocracies or hevaily theocratic. Their motivation, training, goals and methods are all influenced by religion are religious. To deny that there is a religious element to Islamic terrorism is an extreme position not justified by facts. You could argue that this isn't "True Islam", but that is a different argument.
Again I completely agree with your idea that "Muslims must NOT be discriminated against" idea. Such discrimination is against everything Western Democracy (and human decency) stand for.
I am still disturbed by Islam as a political and social ideology dictating how others should submit to the "true believers". I guess I just don't go to extremes in either direction. Some social visions are dangerous.
All that said, I will now follow my own advice of keeping politics off HN! Peace!