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Re:Maybe it’s time to talk about a new Linux Display Driver ... by geofft on Saturday September 05, 2015 @04:07PM (#10175908)
The Yama patchset has been in mainline for the last few years, and disallows non-root processes from reading each others' memory (except for direct children).

The trouble is that it's a sort of retrofitted check. It works surprisingly well, but being added to a 20+-year-old OS and a 40+-year-old design, it can't guarantee being correct. The traditional, historic process boundary on UNIX has been user accounts / UIDs. Desktop Linux needs to figure out a way to do what Android does, and run every application with a separate UID, including the ability to have private files that are unreadable to other applications.

The challenge is defining "application". Android, being a greenfield platform, could define the interaction between applications. On desktop Linux, it's obvious that, say, a web browser and a PDF viewer should be different applications. The two processes in a "find | grep" shell pipeline probably should count as the same application. In between, it's pretty blurry, because we've had 40 years to develop patterns that don't account for this isolation ever happening.

Re:Maybe it’s time to talk about a new Linux Display Driver ... by Someone on Saturday September 05, 2015 @05:30PM (#10176096)
"On desktop Linux, it's obvious that, say, a web browser and a PDF viewer should be different applications"

Not completely obvious. The web browser could use the PDF viewer to render PDF and/or the PDF viewer could use the web browser to run JavaScript embedded in a PDF file (http://www.adobe.com/devnet/acrobat/javascript.html). Both examples are similar to your find|grep example.

Yes, that typically would be done by reusing libraries, not by starting processes, but modern browsers run a separate process per tab and some run flash in a separate process. Running a PDF viewer in a separate process would be a logical extension.

Re:Maybe it’s time to talk about a new Linux Display Driver ... by timthelion on Saturday September 05, 2015 @05:32PM (#10176105)
Perhaps you would be interested in my project, subuser.org

Unfortunately, it does absolutely NOTHING with regard to OpenGL isolation :( (That is if you give programs permission to talk to the graphics card, which is denied by default...)

Re:Maybe it’s time to talk about a new Linux Display Driver ... by geofft on Saturday September 05, 2015 @06:12PM (#10176210)
Neato! Many years back I was playing with Xpra for this, but it was in the days before either Docker or useful seccomp. Glad to see something making progress here.

Have you looked at OpenGL virtualization e.g. Virgil (https://virgil3d.github.io/ , https://www.kraxel.org/blog/tag/virgl/) for that problem? The idea is to use Gallium to give them just enough access to get host 3D acceleration, but not direct access to the graphics card.

Re:Maybe it’s time to talk about a new Linux Display Driver ... by timthelion on Sunday September 06, 2015 @05:31AM (#10177192)
Looks interesting. But no, I have not tried it. It isn't really a priority for me. I'm not a gamer, nor am I a climatologist, and while I do use CAD, I've had other, simpler, problems to solve :D
Re:Maybe it’s time to talk about a new Linux Display Driver ... by comex on Saturday September 05, 2015 @06:50PM (#10176290)