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Re:Intel Skylake Launch, with Architecture Analysis by Someone1234 on Wednesday September 02, 2015 @10:43AM (#10159527)
For desktops, sure. But the desktop form factor is dying.

Where it matters is mobile. Even if you have a dedicated graphics processor, it makes sense to have integrated and then to have it auto-switch as needed. This saves on electrical power, reduces heat, and may extend the life of your mobile devices (since heat is damaging).

Ultimately if your want to force-on dedicated 24/7 then normally you CAN, but integrated simply gives you more options if you wish to extend the battery life of your device significantly.

Re:Intel Skylake Launch, with Architecture Analysis by api on Wednesday September 02, 2015 @12:10PM (#10160193)
"Dying" is a pet peeve of mine. Usually it's not true.

The desktop form factor is declining significantly in popularity in the mainstream market in favor of laptops and mobile devices. The reason is obvious: laptops and mobiles are portable, and the average user (and even many pro users) do not need that much power in their local device.

It's still very popular in the gamer and professional workstation market, and likely will be for a long time. It's just hard to cram the processing power that gamers, hard-core developers, CAD and simulation users, etc. need into something as small as a laptop without creating what's comically referred to as a "ball burner" or "weenie roaster." I'm sure there's a female equivalent expression but it's even less polite. :P

Intel has many-core options for these machines, but they tend to lag a little behind. If you have deeper pockets and really want power you can always put a high-end GPU in a server board with 2-4 Xeons and put it in a tower case. Now you have a data center node with a 4K monitor on it.

Re:Intel Skylake Launch, with Architecture Analysis by coldtea on Wednesday September 02, 2015 @02:35PM (#10161156)
>It's still very popular in the gamer and professional workstation market, and likely will be for a long time. It's just hard to cram the processing power that gamers, hard-core developers, CAD and simulation users, etc. need into something as small as a laptop without creating what's comically referred to as a "ball burner" or "weenie roaster."

Gaming is a niche market mostly for younger ages (people with "game rigs" drops rapidly after a certain age) and most hard-core developers use laptops -- the laptops you see in each and every dev conference are their main boxes, with or without external monitors.

As for CAD and simulation that's too niche to even mention. Of course some people will always have a need for a more powerful form factor. But if CAD users are part of the counter-argument for "it's not dying", then it very much is.

Re:Intel Skylake Launch, with Architecture Analysis by hga on Wednesday September 02, 2015 @04:02PM (#10161564)
I'm not sure you're right, or at least as of late Supermicro has been selling X[9/10]SAE workstation motherboards, which will take a Xeon or consumer chip and ECC/non-ECC memory. No IPMI, lots of the sorts of slots we want, and onboard sound. The first X9SAE model, with which this message is being drafted, would appear to have been successful enough they repeated it in the next generation:

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C216/X9S...

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C220/X10...

They didn't make such a class of boards in the '8' generation.

Not dead yet!

Re:Intel Skylake Launch, with Architecture Analysis by cookiecaper on Wednesday September 02, 2015 @05:33PM (#10162020)
Throughout my career I have enjoyed a desktop as my primary workstation except for an unpleasant 6 month period where I had only a MacBook Pro. I wouldn't be so quick to assume that the laptop is also the primary workstation.
Re:Intel Skylake Launch, with Architecture Analysis by TheLoneWolfling on Wednesday September 02, 2015 @11:19AM (#10159797)
This highlights one of my pet peeves with the integrated versus discrete debate.

The reason why typical GPUS have high power consumption is because they are generally designed for the desktop market where they can.

But you can have low-power discrete GPUs also.

For that matter, there is no reason why you cannot have a low-power discrete GPU, and a high-power discrete GPU.

And again, it's a whole lot easier to dissipate heat being produced in multiple places than all in one hotspot.

Re:Intel Skylake Launch, with Architecture Analysis by Shorel on Wednesday September 02, 2015 @12:16PM (#10160254)
Even for a new desktop I want a small, efficient and noiseless form factor.