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Re:The most obsolete infrastructure money could buy – my wor... by jonawesomegreen on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @06:37PM (#10156281)
That is fascinating, thanks for sharing. I had no idea the NYC subway was being run by a 100 year old electro-mechanical system.
Re:The most obsolete infrastructure money could buy – my wor... by hga on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @07:21PM (#10156478)
The D.C. Metro system was planed in the '60 and constructed in the '70s, with the first operations starting in 1976. It too is based on electro-mechanical relays, although it's more ambitious, after the operator closes the doors and sees all is fine, he hits a "go" button and the system automatically takes the train to the next station, avoiding collisions as long as the "is there a train in the next segment" sensor system is working.
Re:The most obsolete infrastructure money could buy – my wor... by JonathonW on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @10:32PM (#10157117)
The DC Metro actually (mostly) hasn't used their automatic train control system in full automatic mode since a collision in 2009 that killed nine (for which the ATC system was directly responsible; a faulty circuit both forced a train to stop and rendered it invisible to the control system).

Safe train control seems like it needs a little more sophistication than '60s or '70s tech was able to give. For one, it's common sense that a train that disappears from the system isn't really gone-- but the Metro system couldn't take that into account. Stuff like that should be pretty trivial today.

Re:The most obsolete infrastructure money could buy – my wor... by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @11:12PM (#10157225)
> For one, it's common sense that a train that disappears from the system isn't really gone-- but the Metro system couldn't take that into account. Stuff like that should be pretty trivial today.

It was pretty trivial in the 1970s. Require the sensor for an adjacent segment to be engaged before the sensor for an active segment will disengage.

You can't do any computation with modern computers that you couldn't have done with relays in the 1970s, or the 1870s for that matter. Mechanical relays are slower, less reliable and more expensive than transistors... but they do the same thing.

Re:The most obsolete infrastructure money could buy – my wor... by Symbiote on Wednesday September 02, 2015 @02:07AM (#10157667)
The Victoria Line was the first automatic railway, opening in 1968. There have been no accidents.

The system was replaced a couple of years ago with a new one, to allow an even higher frequency of service.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_line