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Re:Why I want Swift to be your first language by gress on Thursday August 27, 2015 @03:33PM (#10131538)
FaceTime was prevented from being open sourced by a patent troll. Continuing to repeat misinformation about this in threads like this is not a reflection on Apple, and is clearly irrelevant to whether Swift will be open sourced.

Pay attention to Chris Lattner and his track record if you want a realistic view of whether the open source promise is likely to be kept for Swift.

Re:Why I want Swift to be your first language by mikehc on Thursday August 27, 2015 @03:51PM (#10131642)
And whose fault is that? I think is both sides. The patent troll for obvious reasons but also Apple (or Steve Jobs) for announcing something that they cannot achieve.

That is why people have a hard time believing any Open Source promises made by Apple. And yes I know they have some open source projects available right now.

Re:Why I want Swift to be your first language by gress on Thursday August 27, 2015 @06:19PM (#10132522)
By your logic, anyone who ever runs into trouble with a patent troll should never be trusted again. Clearly this is absurd.
Re:Why I want Swift to be your first language by mikehc on Wednesday September 02, 2015 @04:32PM (#10161723)
No, anyone who promises things he cannot fulfill may have his trust in doubt. It doesn't matter if the problem was internal or external.

What would you think if Apple went to announce next Wednesday that the new iPhone will have a sapphire screen, but on launch (after a bunch of people preoder the phone) they announce it's normal glass because a provider couldn't deliver.

Whose fault would that be, the provider's? Apple's? Both?

Re:Why I want Swift to be your first language by bsimpson on Thursday August 27, 2015 @04:10PM (#10131768)
[citation needed]
Re:Why I want Swift to be your first language by gress on Thursday August 27, 2015 @08:46PM (#10133058)