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Re:Windows 10 users are being banned from torrent sites by afarrell on Monday August 24, 2015 @09:50AM (#10109646)
> Usually made by windows users

I used to make this claim as someone who had been using desktop gnu/linux for several years. I've been using OSX now for a year and so stopped making the claim. But it is really frustrating to hear people say "it works for me" to rebut claims that it doesn't work for most people. Such counters and arguments over them are basically single data points. If the point under discussion is "does desktop linux work well enough to gain massive amounts of market share?", then you need to run actual large scale trials comparing how hard it is for people to...

1) Start up a spreadsheet program and do things

2) Check social media and play some random video

3) Play League of Legends

4) <insert your favorite thing here>

Some of these things are indeed comparably easy in, say Ubuntu (or were pre-unity) for me, but I was an MIT undergrad that hung around SIPB, the computer club. My massive amounts of tech privilege make it impossible to individually evaluate if the user experience someone has with spreadsheets is acceptable unless I put real study into it. The same is probably true of many HN commenters. So until someone spends the time and money to run actual user experience studies, we have no data to say that the linux desktop can take over the world.

Also, there isn't even one "Linux desktop". There is mint, Ubuntu+gnome classic, Ubuntu+unity, ubuntu+some weird xmonad setup.

Another argument I often see for why Desktop Linux has an advantage is that "Linux is free as in beer". But it is not. If someone making $15/hr takes more than 8 hours (not unrealistic, at least for an MIT CS student back in 2010) fiddling with things and trying to get them to work, then desktop Linux is more expensive.

Re:Windows 10 users are being banned from torrent sites by progman on Monday August 24, 2015 @11:07AM (#10110327)
Regarding your points 1) to 4) this is exactly what I mean with investing some effort to discover how these things work in Linux. For 1) there are LibreOffice and gnumeric, for 2) there are mplayer, vlc, and several other tools, for 3) I don't know because Linux is not a gaming system but a workhorse. A modern Ubuntu distro provides thousands of applications for many purposes. If you don't like Unity or Gnome 3 then there are Kubuntu, Xubuntu etc. Google is your friend.

Learning Linux is like learning LaTeX. It requires serious effort to become powerfully useful but then you never want to miss it because there is nothing that can actually compete.

OSX and Windows are easier to handle at the first place but if you get into the details then you may have more trouble than in Linux (driver problems, document formats) because there is no obsolescence in Linux. In OSX and Windows you depend on the cooperation of the manufacturers. In Linux drivers, applications, and document formats written decades ago still work.

Re:Windows 10 users are being banned from torrent sites by afarrell on Monday August 24, 2015 @12:08PM (#10110791)
My point isn't that I personally find Linux too hard, it is that for a large chunk of people, switching to Linux is far too expensive and this makes predictions about the rise of Desktop Linux too optimistic.

> Learning Linux is like learning LaTeX

This is a particularly fantastic analogy when you look at the type of error messages that LaTeX produces.

Re:Windows 10 users are being banned from torrent sites by progman on Tuesday August 25, 2015 @02:58AM (#10114960)
> This is a particularly fantastic analogy when you look at the type of error messages that LaTeX produces.

Nevertheless LaTeX is still the favorite DTP system among scientists. LaTeX is actually not too hard to learn. It just requires some mental effort to get it. Scientists are willing to do that. Some people obviously don't.

Re:Windows 10 users are being banned from torrent sites by JupiterMoon on Monday August 24, 2015 @02:15PM (#10111873)
> Learning Linux is like learning LaTeX.

Maybe but using a Linux distro like Ubuntu or Mint or similar is more like using an Office package.

Re:Windows 10 users are being banned from torrent sites by camperman on Monday August 24, 2015 @10:47AM (#10110168)
Linux is free as in speech, not free as in beer. You're free to use, copy, modify and distribute it subject to its license. It's not about price and never has been.