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Re:The Bright Students Left Behind by rayiner on Friday August 21, 2015 @12:04PM (#10098381)
The point in that article is a bit more subtle than that: "What should have been done was to pull out the bottom ten percent."

The author's thesis is that the real benefit, to average and gifted kids alike, is not having to be in the same class as the bottom rung of kids.

I find that thesis at least plausible. I went to regular public school for K-8, then a magnet school for 9-12. It's really the bottom 10%, usually kids with behavioral or social problems, that makes the experience worse for everyone.

At the same time, I'm not sure my magnet school experience would've been appreciably worse with a bunch of average kids in the class. Maybe the teachers would have had to teach the material more slowly and we would've covered less of it, but the fact is that very little you learn in K-12 matters anyway.

Re:The Bright Students Left Behind by nitrogen on Friday August 21, 2015 @12:47PM (#10098705)
the fact is that very little you learn in K-12 matters anyway

And herein lies the problem with K-12 for gifted students. Why should kids be learning things that don't matter when they are capable of more?

(Note: I disagree with the claim that little in K12 matters; every bit of knowledge lays the foundation for the next layer of abstraction. E.g. counting->arithmetic->algebra->calculus/statistics, or alphabet->spelling->vocabulary->grammar->reading->writing->essay writing/research.)

Re:The Bright Students Left Behind by dragonwriter on Friday August 21, 2015 @12:57PM (#10098778)
> but the fact is that very little you learn in K-12 matters anyway.

I disagree. Most of what is learned in K-12 is foundational for things learned later (literacy, numeracy, and basic social skills at the earlier grades, more developed hard and soft analytical and communications skills in later grades.) Even to the extent that the nominal subject matter may not be particularly generally useful later, it tends to serve as a focus for more generally applicable skills.

Re:The Bright Students Left Behind by rayiner on Friday August 21, 2015 @02:20PM (#10099303)
My point is that covering more or less of the nominal subject matter doesn't particularly matter because the nominal subject matter isn't particularly useful itself.