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Re:Stealth Startups, Get Over Yourselves: Nobody Cares About... by gruseom on Saturday December 19, 2009 @01:51PM (#1004992)
Great comment, as is the parent. But I'd question your Google history. PageRank was talked about from the beginning. The list went more like this:

1. Hey everybody, check out this new search engine with a genius algorithm called "PageRank" that returns much more relevant results!

2. ?

3. ?

In other words, Google is a prime example of what zaidf is saying. PageRank was a huge marketing hit. Over 10 years later, it's still the first thing anyone mentions when they talk about Google's competitive edge, yet this has been a fiction for ages and may largely have been so from the beginning. How much of a technical edge was it really, compared to the other things Google did right? That remains totally obscure (see 2 and 3 above).

Re:Stealth Startups, Get Over Yourselves: Nobody Cares About... by zaidf on Saturday December 19, 2009 @02:01PM (#1005010)
With PageRank, I think google gets a lot of leverage from misinformation, which can be as important as the information.

Few people really know much about PageRank beyond the general idea. In Google's case, I think they talked about PageRank more because they had written a paper on it and it was already public whether they talked or not.

But if you observe, beyond the original paper, little is known about PageRank from Google. There are plenty of guesses--right and wrong--that can be pieced together to form a narrative of the changes and evolution in PageRank. But nothing official from Google. And probably for a reason.

Re:Stealth Startups, Get Over Yourselves: Nobody Cares About... by gruseom on Saturday December 19, 2009 @02:10PM (#1005022)
Yes, and not only PageRank: they've done the same thing with BigTable, GFS, etc. They're masters of selective disclosure. Two things one often hears about Google is how open they are and how secretive they are, and what's remarkable is that both are true.
Re:Stealth Startups, Get Over Yourselves: Nobody Cares About... by newhouseb on Saturday December 19, 2009 @02:28PM (#1005056)
I don't how much attribution the marketing of PageRank vs the actual effectiveness of PageRank (and undoubtedly other things never made public) deserves in the overall success of Google. I can't really think of a way in which we could easily come to such a conclusion either.

Ask Jeeves (or maybe Yahoo) tried a big "The Algorithm" marketing campaign and that clearly got them nowhere. I think if we're talking about marketing the "I'm feeling lucky" button was more of a boon to virality than PageRank.

Choosing PageRank was probably a slight lapse in integrity in my post, but undoubtedly there's been a whole bunch of other examples in Google's history which do fit the mold (GFS, MapReduce, Pregel, etc).

Re:Stealth Startups, Get Over Yourselves: Nobody Cares About... by oujheush on Saturday December 19, 2009 @02:12PM (#1005029)
So,

  1. PageRank
  2. ???
  3. Profit
I solved one of them...

(Worth the potential downvotes.)

Re:Stealth Startups, Get Over Yourselves: Nobody Cares About... by nearestneighbor on Saturday December 19, 2009 @03:58PM (#1005187)
Today's so called "hackers" don't have the stomach or training for anything involving eigenvectors.
Re:Stealth Startups, Get Over Yourselves: Nobody Cares About... by gruseom on Saturday December 19, 2009 @04:33PM (#1005234)
What nonsense. And would you like them to get off your lawn as well?