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Re:Thor – A Project to Hammer Out a Royalty Free Video Codec by derf_ on Tuesday August 11, 2015 @01:58PM (#10043095)
Hello, I'm the Daala tech lead.

One of the things that made Opus a success was the contributions of others. We certainly don't have a monopoly on good ideas. We'll take pieces of Daala and stick them in Thor and pieces of Thor and stick them in Daala, and figure out what works best. Some of that experimentation has already begun:

https://github.com/cisco/thor/pull/8

https://review.xiph.org/874/

https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/slides/slides-93-netvc-5...

Because none of us have a financial incentive to get our patents into the standard, we're happy to pick whatever technology works best, as long as we end up with a great codec at the end. Hopefully NETVC can replicate the success of Opus this way.

Re:Thor – A Project to Hammer Out a Royalty Free Video Codec by halosghost on Tuesday August 11, 2015 @02:26PM (#10043305)
It's this kind of awesome attitude that makes me so happy whenever I look into a Xiph project. I certainly did not mean to imply that the efforts of the org in OP should be moved to Daala and that competing projects are a bad thing; far from it! Rather, I was just voicing my support for a similar project that has had some great progress so far.

You all have done a great job in the past and I'm always on the edge of my seat to see what incredible things you will do. Keep up the rockin' work!

Re:Thor – A Project to Hammer Out a Royalty Free Video Codec by xiphmont on Tuesday August 11, 2015 @04:35PM (#10044209)
Yeah, we're going to have to start arguing on what to name the hybrid soon, since 'Vopus' is already taken.
Re:Thor – A Project to Hammer Out a Royalty Free Video Codec by cpeterso on Wednesday August 12, 2015 @12:14AM (#10045971)
Brainstorming fun names combining "Thor" and "Daala" reminded me of the Robert E. Howard villains "Thulsa Doom" and "Thoth-Amon". :)
Re:Thor – A Project to Hammer Out a Royalty Free Video Codec by lcswi on Tuesday August 11, 2015 @05:40PM (#10044593)
I propose Kollóttadyngja!
Re:Thor – A Project to Hammer Out a Royalty Free Video Codec by billconan on Tuesday August 11, 2015 @04:08PM (#10043994)
I hope you could have a comprehensive write-up about how codec works.

your article, such as this http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/daala/demo1.shtml is the best codec introduction I could find online, but still I couldn't follow, say, the deblocking part.

there doesn't seem to be a book covering this area.

Re:Thor – A Project to Hammer Out a Royalty Free Video Codec by shmerl on Wednesday August 12, 2015 @01:13AM (#10046133)
Is Thor based on similar principles to Daala (i.e. like lapped transforms) to make it useful for merging?

And unrelated question, what will be the name of the merged codec? I hope it won't remain as NetVC, as that name is awful.

Re:Thor – A Project to Hammer Out a Royalty Free Video Codec by 0x09 on Wednesday August 12, 2015 @04:58AM (#10046813)
According to the spec, Thor is a more traditional block-based codec with quadtree subdivisions in the vein of H.264 and forward.

Beyond that the design is rather conservative and different from Daala's "start over from scratch" methodology. It doesn't look like the two would be poised to merge directly a-la Opus at this point, but rather to be mutual test beds and borrow and exchange unencumbered ideas that work well.

Re:Thor – A Project to Hammer Out a Royalty Free Video Codec by shmerl on Wednesday August 12, 2015 @01:39PM (#10049291)
I see, thanks.