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Re:How to Manufacture a Climate Consensus by DaniFong on Friday December 18, 2009 @04:09PM (#1003957)
It's a pretty clear link. Take a look at about 8:58 in Hans Rosling's TED Talk

http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_reveals_new_insights_o...

Practically every country has gotten out of poverty at the cost of carbon emissions. The link isn't perfect but it is very strong. We need to get on a different curve. There doesn't seem to be any other way.

Re:How to Manufacture a Climate Consensus by bballant on Friday December 18, 2009 @04:49PM (#1004056)
It is true that a developing nation typically needs to exploit its natural resources and cheap labor to industrialize and grow, which means CO2 emissions, but this is not true in modern, primarily service-based, economies, like the US. Again, US's GDP is roughly the same (slightly higher) per capita as that of the EU, but our CO2 emissions are (pitifully) over double the EU's, per capita. If there was a clear link, the the US's GDP should be much higher in comparison.

Finally I reject the notion that there doesn't seem to be any other way. I have much more faith in human innovation than that. I firmly believe that there is a market for green technologies, that, when fully developed, will create jobs, boost economies, and improve our global environment.

Re:How to Manufacture a Climate Consensus by DaniFong on Friday December 18, 2009 @05:08PM (#1004100)
"Finally I reject the notion that there doesn't seem to be any other way. I have much more faith in human innovation than that. I firmly believe that there is a market for green technologies, that, when fully developed, will create jobs, boost economies, and improve our global environment."

This is what I meant when I said "We need to get on a different curve."