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Re:Liu Cixin, China’s hottest science-fiction writer by a_bonobo on Sunday August 09, 2015 @06:53AM (#10030034)
I like the perspective of Stanislaw Lem on this, especially in His Master's Voice - there may be others shouting out there, but we have not the ability to understand their shouts, we may even have problems understanding that a shout is a shout and not just random noise.

Later pretentious edit: To quote Wittgenstein, "If a lion could speak, we could not understand him."

Re:Liu Cixin, China’s hottest science-fiction writer by thret on Sunday August 09, 2015 @07:27AM (#10030062)
I disagree with this view. If a species is intelligent enough to shout and desires to be heard, not sounding like random noise is the first criteria they will address.
Re:Liu Cixin, China’s hottest science-fiction writer by radicalbyte on Sunday August 09, 2015 @07:58AM (#10030096)
We couldn't even understand the language of one of the great empires (Egypt) until we found a rock containing translations into other known languages.
Re:Liu Cixin, China’s hottest science-fiction writer by cmsj on Sunday August 09, 2015 @08:04AM (#10030106)
But we could distinguish it as a language from the background noise of the sand/Rock.

Finding a message would be hugely significant, even if we're too dumb to decode it.

Re:Liu Cixin, China’s hottest science-fiction writer by a_bonobo on Sunday August 09, 2015 @08:12AM (#10030117)
>Finding a message would be hugely significant, even if we're too dumb to decode it.

That is actually what the majority of my above mentioned His Master's Voice is about - is this relatively regularly appearing signal a message? Or is it just regularly looking noise from some physical object we haven't discovered yet?

Re:Liu Cixin, China’s hottest science-fiction writer by adrianN on Sunday August 09, 2015 @10:13AM (#10030332)
If that regular noise produces prime numbers, it is very unlikely to be natural. Species that have the ability to send signals into space also have the ability to show their intelligence. Whether actual communication is possible is a different question.
Re:Liu Cixin, China’s hottest science-fiction writer by fit2rule on Sunday August 09, 2015 @09:13AM (#10030225)
All the white noise of the sun could indeed just be part of the galactic network, of which we have not yet discovered the keys .. so it may look like white-noise until we find the key. I'm happier with that position than that, so far, we just don't know the message because there has not been a 'good one we can understand easily', i.e. ufo on the whitehouse lawn ..
Re:Liu Cixin, China’s hottest science-fiction writer by tiatia on Sunday August 09, 2015 @01:28PM (#10030768)
Old Egyptian developed and was never meant to be "decrypted" from scratch.

Some thing will have to be the same for the aliens. Some things like mathematics (Pi, Pythagoras, Primes). If you send a message that needs to be understood, send mathematical information.

Re:Liu Cixin, China’s hottest science-fiction writer by V-2 on Sunday August 09, 2015 @11:33AM (#10030494)
"I disagree with this view. If a species is intelligent enough to shout and desires to be heard"

It may desire to be heard and understood, but not necessarily by everyone.

Re:Liu Cixin, China’s hottest science-fiction writer by tbirdz on Sunday August 09, 2015 @12:14PM (#10030567)
Isn't this one of the goals of cryptography - to make intelligent messages indistinguishable from noise from all but the intended recipient?