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Re:Ethereum Cloud Mining for Dummies by ThomPete on Saturday August 08, 2015 @09:54AM (#10027241)
A lot of claims about this being a scam. As someone who have had same idea as Ethereum and not to scam people, can someone explain to me what makes it a scam.
Re:Ethereum Cloud Mining for Dummies by rabbyte on Saturday August 08, 2015 @02:41PM (#10028240)
Because it's not Bitcoin. As far as I can tell, this is the number one piece of evidence that a cryptocurrency is a scam. I've been following Ethereum almost entirely because I'm a developer and I'm interested in using the technology for projects, and I can tell you the atmosphere is maddening. I'm accustom to welcoming communities that care about the tech, not cynical communities that care about pushing their particular interests because they have investments. The cryptocurrency space is awful and polluted with unhelpful attitudes but the tech is too important to be pushed aside for that reason.

Ignore the FUD, Ethereum is not a scam. It's actual open source software with multiple popular implementations successfully delivered from a toxic environment with an impressive level of care toward getting the technical aspects right while being as transparent as possible. It's not perfect, about as perfect as any startup I've watched. Don't dump money into anything you don't understand.

EDIT- just as an illustration, I think it's interesting to use the Bitcoin Talk forum search tool. There are 464,000 results for "scam" and 484,000 results for "currency". Spend 5 seconds on the forum to find the word used like it's the coolest slang around. Everything is a scam, because evidence.

Re:Ethereum Cloud Mining for Dummies by davidgerard on Saturday August 08, 2015 @03:51PM (#10028466)
What I see is Bitcoin fans pointing out the glaring problems in every altcoin, but not admitting that every single one of those problems applies to Bitcoin as well.
Re:Ethereum Cloud Mining for Dummies by brighton36 on Saturday August 08, 2015 @06:35PM (#10028840)
Because Bitcoin is immutable and blockchains are a codification of the network effect. Altcoins are themselves competing chains, and thus compete with the main chain. Because the 'first mover' is Bitcoin, then the incentive for any miner is to join that chain. The problems in other altcoins are particularly important because their miners always sell that altcoin to the greater fool... in exchange for bitcoin.
Re:Ethereum Cloud Mining for Dummies by davidgerard on Saturday August 08, 2015 @07:11PM (#10028923)
Altcoins are (amazingly) even worse, but that doesn't make the Bitcoinsphere good. It still has no actual use case beyond illegal drugs, and is riddled with scammers and criminals at every level.

I detailed the problems as I saw them as of January here: http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/594396.html Things really haven't improved in any regard.

Re:Ethereum Cloud Mining for Dummies by brighton36 on Saturday August 08, 2015 @08:10PM (#10029042)
Agreed. The black market is the smallest sector of the world's economy. If the best Bitcoin can do is service that market, its safe to say the Bitcoin is a massive failure.
Re:Ethereum Cloud Mining for Dummies by rabbyte on Sunday August 09, 2015 @03:04AM (#10029737)
Agree. I'm assuming it's because dealing with technical difficulties meets reasonable expectations when diving into a black market. As the pieces come together and the experience improves, it'll fade I hope.
Re:Ethereum Cloud Mining for Dummies by junseth on Sunday August 09, 2015 @01:32AM (#10029594)
Never before has a truer truth been spake.
Re:Ethereum Cloud Mining for Dummies by ThomPete on Saturday August 08, 2015 @03:02PM (#10028304)
Thats also my experience.
Re:Ethereum Cloud Mining for Dummies by yc1010 on Saturday August 08, 2015 @10:34AM (#10027321)
Premining,

Satoshi releases Bitcoin quietly to the world and doesnt ask for a red cent in advance from anyone despite creating one of the most important/innovative technologies of the last decade, and then disappears with his mined coins remaining for years unused and presumed lost.

Ethereum guys sell Ether(s) in advance (why for bitcoin of course) promising the moon and the stars in the form of a cryptocurrency + scripting

They put the horse before the cart IMHO, imagine if all those years ago Linus asked everyone to give him 18 and half million to develop Linux, would it be where it is now?

Re:Ethereum Cloud Mining for Dummies by DennisP on Saturday August 08, 2015 @11:22AM (#10027484)
So I take it you're against crowdfunding in general?
Re:Ethereum Cloud Mining for Dummies by patcon on Sunday August 09, 2015 @03:16AM (#10029756)
Your story might have substance if you had any evidence that it were the truth. But we don't know Bitcoin's origin story yet.

Also, your criticism is only of fundraising politics (which not everyone need agree with you on), not the product. There are many ways to fund great software, and even if you don't like it, crowdsales are one.

Real criticism is welcome, if you have any.

Re:Ethereum Cloud Mining for Dummies by ThomPete on Saturday August 08, 2015 @11:02AM (#10027399)
Thats like saying the dotcom bubble was a scam isn't it? You can certainly phrase it like that but is that really whats going on. An actual scam?
Re:Ethereum Cloud Mining for Dummies by brighton36 on Saturday August 08, 2015 @06:35PM (#10028841)
Many dotcoms were very scammy.
Re:Ethereum Cloud Mining for Dummies by ThomPete on Sunday August 09, 2015 @06:35AM (#10030009)
A few were but most were just naive. Point is that calling Etherum a scam seem based on claiming to know the intentions of the creator, rather than an actual description of what Etherum is.