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Re:Court rules drug dog barely more accurate than a coin fli... by CamperBob2 on Friday August 07, 2015 @03:05PM (#10024339)
No, his statement isn't even correct. The Bill of Rights is not divided into venial and mortal sins, and even if it were, I'd argue that the Fourth Amendment would not fall into the former category.
Re:Court rules drug dog barely more accurate than a coin fli... by harryh on Friday August 07, 2015 @03:11PM (#10024366)
The Fourth Amendment reads "no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause." Why do you think it says this instead of "no Warrants shall issue, but upon cause beyond reasonable doubt." ?
Re:Court rules drug dog barely more accurate than a coin fli... by CamperBob2 on Friday August 07, 2015 @03:18PM (#10024411)
If the tool for determining probable cause is no better than a coin flip -- which is in fact the case (see my other post) -- then the intent of the amendment is being circumvented. It's the whole "probable" thing that's the issue at hand.
Re:Court rules drug dog barely more accurate than a coin fli... by harryh on Friday August 07, 2015 @03:20PM (#10024429)
You didn't answer my question.
Re:Court rules drug dog barely more accurate than a coin fli... by CamperBob2 on Friday August 07, 2015 @03:28PM (#10024474)
Here's what usually happens at this point in a politically-charged HN thread: I ask a question along the lines of, "Why are you so interested in defending an indefensible aspect of an indefensible war on an abstract noun?", and then I get a nasty note from the admins warning against personal attacks, even though none was intended.

So we'll need to agree to disagree on this one. I suspect we're coming from two very different places.

Re:Court rules drug dog barely more accurate than a coin fli... by harryh on Friday August 07, 2015 @03:31PM (#10024495)
Our legal system very much distinguishes between venial and mortal sins. You can see that in the very language of the 4th amendment which is why I asked my question. The amendment recognizes that searching someone puts a far smaller burden on them than putting them in jail which is why the standard of proof is very different for those two actions.

My point here has nothing to do with the war on drugs. The same standard applies if law enforcement is searching for drugs or guns or stolen property.

You should ponder this some and then consider changing your point of view so that you can be correct more often in the future.