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Re:SEC adopts rules mandating disclosure of CEO-worker pay r... by untog on Wednesday August 05, 2015 @02:49PM (#10011918)
Because the level of CEO pay compared to average employee pay is at all time highs. It's gone from 20x the average employee in 1965 to 295x in 2013. Do you think CEOs are 10x more effective than they were in the 60s?

http://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-pay-continues-to-rise/

And yes, you can easily counter saying that private companies are allowed to pay their CEOs whatever they want, which is absolutely true, but at the same time many people are growing concerned about a wealth gap in the US - that the rich are getting subtantially richer, while the middle class haven't seen meaningful gains in a long time. That absolutely has an impact on society as a whole.

Re:SEC adopts rules mandating disclosure of CEO-worker pay r... by drauh on Wednesday August 05, 2015 @02:59PM (#10012010)
Even without referring to wealth inequality, "capitalism" is supposed to be a sort of "economic meritocracy", i.e. those who get a lot of money did so by their abilities. (I hesitate to use the word "work".) Or, at least, that's what I understand modern capitalists to say.

The crucial thing here is the stagnation of the middle class. There is no way 1 CEO can produce the output of 300 employees. Is it socialist to expect that the people who actually make the stuff to share in the gains? Or maybe that's communist.

Re:SEC adopts rules mandating disclosure of CEO-worker pay r... by true_religion on Thursday August 06, 2015 @09:25AM (#10016197)
I don't know about, and probably can't defend the idea that CEOs can produce outsized benefits compared to rank-and-file employees.

However a poor CEO can easily waste more money than 300 salaries just by choosing the wrong product direction, or keeping a strategy going long after its not beneficial.

So perhaps pay is so high just to find a CEO whom isn't a bad hire.

Re:SEC adopts rules mandating disclosure of CEO-worker pay r... by jogjayr on Thursday August 06, 2015 @02:12PM (#10018276)
> So perhaps pay is so high just to find a CEO whom isn't a bad hire.

There's some theories that posit that high CEO pay isn't to reward the CEO for their work directly but to motivate everyone under the CEO to work their ass off in hopes of one day becoming the CEO. Motivating the workforce in this manner makes the company sufficiently more productive as to make it worth paying those high salaries; even if the CEO doesn't actually produce anything themselves. I believe it's called a tournament-style system or something.

It's pretty bleak-sounding.

Re:SEC adopts rules mandating disclosure of CEO-worker pay r... by paulhauggis on Wednesday August 05, 2015 @03:05PM (#10012064)
"Do you think CEOs are 10x more effective than they were in the 60s?"

Why is that for you to decide? The world has become globally competitive since the 1960s, which means it takes a lot more work for a CEO to run a company successfully.

"but at the same time many people are growing concerned about a wealth gap in the US - that the rich are getting subtantially richer, while the middle class haven't seen meaningful gains in a long time. That absolutely has an impact on society as a whole."

This will continue to happen when we put more and more restrictions on owning and starting a business, which is ironic, because this is what many of the politicians that claim to be helping the middle class, are proposing.

Re:SEC adopts rules mandating disclosure of CEO-worker pay r... by untog on Wednesday August 05, 2015 @03:11PM (#10012108)
Why is that for you to decide?

It's for society to decide. I know the libertarian perspective is that society/government have no role in deciding how businesses operate, but that isn't actually the reality today. You might just as well ask what gives anyone the right to make companies pay tax.

This will continue to happen when we put more and more restrictions on owning and starting a business

I'm curious as to why you think economic prosperity can only be reached by starting your own business. What's the ideal end game here - every citizen of the US operates their own one-person business?

Re:SEC adopts rules mandating disclosure of CEO-worker pay r... by norea-armozel on Wednesday August 05, 2015 @05:50PM (#10013137)
Even as a libertarian myself, I can't justify the virtual nepotism that is happening on Wall Street. To me, the free market is so suppose to make every company to work hard for the dollars it earns. If companies have enough cash to throw at CEOs than working towards capturing market share or wooing investors with dividends then they're just being as lazy and apathetic as governments or worse. So, I believe it's the role of the people to take companies to task whether it's through the government or through the market place when they get this way (corrupt and slothful). Otherwise, we'll wind up with a situation similar to how the USSR ended with millions starving and an economic wasteland.
Re:SEC adopts rules mandating disclosure of CEO-worker pay r... by paulhauggis on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:10PM (#10036585)
"It's for society to decide. "

If that's the case, then I should decide how my tax money is used, no? If we had universal healthcare, would I get to decide what you do with your body, since I, as a tax payer, would be paying for your risky behavior?

"I'm curious as to why you think economic prosperity can only be reached by starting your own business."

How do you propose economic prosperity if not through a business?

A job? Who pays the wages of the workers?? That's right, a business

The government? Where does the government get the money to pay someone? Taxes. Citizens pay taxes, but they get it through either 1) working for a business or 2) starting a business.

An alternative is that the government essentially runs all businesses, but a centrally planned government monopoly is not very efficient and certainly isn't associated with prosperity.

"What's the ideal end game here - every citizen of the US operates their own one-person business?"

No. But if we change the economic climate which makes it very difficult to start a company, the only things that will be left will be big business and government monopolies.

Re:SEC adopts rules mandating disclosure of CEO-worker pay r... by drauh on Wednesday August 05, 2015 @03:11PM (#10012110)
- More work? Do they work longer hours?

- Don't the employees also do more work, and spend more money on their own training (college, vocational education, conferences) to remain competitive employees?

- Supply side economics really works! Make the stuff, and people will buy it with the extra money they get from... not sure.