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Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by potatolicious on Thursday December 17, 2009 @01:12AM (#1000528)
The question is, what do our defence contractors care more about: making their weapons actually work? Or merely selling them?
Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by rdtsc on Thursday December 17, 2009 @08:34AM (#1000967)
The later is true. There is a large, high througput, revolving door between DoD and large contractors. Yesterday's generals are today's board members and C*Os of large defense contractors.

When something is purchased, or a bid is chosen, it is often because of those conections not because a product is inherently better.

The result is a lot of overpriced, under-performing equipment. The amount of waste is just ridiculous, even for a $650 billion market (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_United_States_federal_budg...).

Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by rarrrrrr on Thursday December 17, 2009 @10:19AM (#1001150)
This is also an apt description of the relationship between the FDA and large pharmaceutical companies. Also, the USDA and large food companies. There are likely many more examples. It's a systemic problem of our structure of government.
Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by roc on Thursday December 17, 2009 @11:38AM (#1001296)
The trick is: who better to run a military contractor than former military men? Who better to run a food company than someone who has worked in the USDA?

These are natural career paths for those individuals that make perfect, natural sense and --in and of themselves-- aren't a real issue.

The real issue is that our government can too easily reward individual companies or industry groups with hand-outs.

If a single general couldn't essentially hand a contract to a supplier on his say-so, that supplier gains nothing by bribing them with a future board position.

What we really need, is for it to be more difficult for individuals to drive contract selection and for the standards for passing a bailout, tariff or corporate welfare program to be much higher.

Perhaps by requiring such legislation to be stand-alone bills, and requiring an oversight office to evaluate contract selection.

Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by rdtsc on Thursday December 17, 2009 @05:58PM (#1002146)
> Who better to run a food company than someone who has worked in the USDA?

Are you asking as the food company, or as the proverbial "concerned citizen?"

Because I would want the USDA to work for me, since I am paying my taxes. I want it to do its job and protect me from Kraft selling me salmonela infested cookie dough. It is hard for USDA to do that when they expect to be hired by Kraft and be payed large bonuses and salaries in the future.

> The real issue is that our government can too easily reward individual companies or industry groups with hand-outs.

The other serious problem is that individual companies can easily 'reward' (read 'bribe') their friends in high places so they can turn a blind eye and in turn harm the public.

I have the naive desire to have a government that would take care and protect its citizens. I don't have the time and the resources to carry a microscope and a bacterial toolkit to the grocery store when I buy meat or eggs. I expect to pay my taxes and USDA to do its job.

Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by roc on Friday December 18, 2009 @04:24PM (#1004003)
As a concerned citizen, naturally I don't want the USDA Director working for Kraft. But what do I care whether the director goes on to work at Kraft afterwards? Or even came from Kraft in the first place?

I'd prefer we have qualified people in public office. Proven managers, subject-matter experts, etc. If we erect a wall between private industry and public service, we're not going to get that.

If there's a problem with the director of the USDA being able to let his former-employer slide, that's a separate problem than where (s)he came from or is going. I'd prefer we deal with that, than try to police people's careers.

Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by barry-cotter on Thursday December 17, 2009 @07:14PM (#1002248)
It's a systemic problem of our structure of government.

True but misleading. Regulatory capture is a feature of regulated industries full stop. It just happens faster when the players whether buyers or sellers are concentrated.

Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by nazgulnarsil on Thursday December 17, 2009 @10:35AM (#1001173)
it's not necessarily our structure of government. regulation (using the law to prevent certain economic activity rather than economic incentives) is always prone to falling under the influence of those it is trying to regulate. I believe it was taleb who compared financial regulation to a chess game between regulators and the regulated.
Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by KWD on Thursday December 17, 2009 @10:45AM (#1001196)
Interestingly enough, it was just yesterday I was reading an article on Robert Gates reviewing the military senior mentor program. http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-12-16-gates-mento...
Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by stcredzero on Thursday December 17, 2009 @11:54AM (#1001337)
Improper use of encryption has been a military problem forever. (I seem to recall problems even in Classical warfare.) It just gets bigger with more communication technology.
Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by vaksel on Thursday December 17, 2009 @02:02AM (#1000589)
i'm sure lack of reliability is part of their business plan. You make the perfect humvee, and suddenly the army stops buying as many.

There is a reason the AK47 is so much more reliable than the M16. And it's been out for like 60 years now.

Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by likpok on Thursday December 17, 2009 @02:09AM (#1000595)
The AK is more reliable because it is less accurate. The tolerances on the various mechanical parts are higher, but as a result they are looser.
Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by malkia on Thursday December 17, 2009 @03:34AM (#1000679)
AK is the Perl of the weapons. I had to use AK-47 for year (serving in the Bulgarian army). It was easy to clean, assemble, disassemble, but every weapon was a bit-off due to the production (or heavy usage, don't know). So to get good results you have to learn where your weapon strays.
Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by roundsquare on Thursday December 17, 2009 @03:44AM (#1000689)
How much does that affect a user? I mean, if you take the time to learn how much it strays, are you at that point just as accurate as someone with a more accurate weapon?

I've never used a gun so I'm curious.

Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by gaius on Thursday December 17, 2009 @06:00AM (#1000798)
All rifles do this a bit; snipers/designated marksmen get very accustomed to their personal weapons, and need to take time to re-acclimatize with any other rifle. For a regular line infantryman in a modern army who is mainly using his rifle for suppressive fire it doesn't significantly reduce his effectiveness.
Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by apgwoz on Thursday December 17, 2009 @06:26AM (#1000822)
I'm guessing this is why the Riflemen's Creed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifleman%27s_Creed) is so important?
Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by eru on Friday December 18, 2009 @04:52PM (#1004063)
I'd say indoctrination plays a part as well.
Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by TallGuyShort on Thursday December 17, 2009 @10:40AM (#1001185)
In real close-to-mid-range combat, this matters even less (unless you're a marksman). It's rare that you'd have time to properly line up the sights and take one really good shot. What really matters in that situation is knock-down power, reliability, and the shooter's training.
Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by elblanco on Thursday December 17, 2009 @06:46PM (#1002209)
They are also stupid easy to manufacture. The design has been copied numerous times as well. Basically, they are the Honda Civics of military weapons. Cheap, easy to use, reliable, easy and cheap to fix when they do break, and lasts forever.

I've seen AKs in 3rd world countries that were probably less than 20% original parts.

Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by rdtsc on Thursday December 17, 2009 @08:22AM (#1000935)
That's part of the design. Judging by the use and adoption of AK-47 I'd say it is a better weapon in general than M16.

Usually an inacurate weapon is better than a stuck weapon when the soldier is facing an enemy.

Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by stcredzero on Thursday December 17, 2009 @11:23AM (#1001252)
The M16 would've been fine, if the brass hadn't skimped on the propellant.
Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by xsmasher on Thursday December 17, 2009 @01:13PM (#1001523)
If the AK fires fine with cheap powder, then that's another advantage for tightwad armies.
Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by bootload on Thursday December 17, 2009 @04:30AM (#1000719)
"... There is a reason the AK47 is so much more reliable than the M16 ..."

There is nothing worse than "language" or "editor" wars, except maybe arguments over "weapon of choice" ~ http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/m16-vs-ak47-iraqi-...

Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by jimbokun on Thursday December 17, 2009 @09:40AM (#1001086)
I could hardly find a single person in that discussion advocating for an M16 over an AK47.
Re:Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones by bootload on Saturday December 19, 2009 @07:58PM (#1005505)
"... I could hardly find a single person in that discussion advocating for an M16 over an AK47. ..."

I wouldn't expect too many combat vets to be hanging around HN (or the NYT blog).

"... Becca: early issued M16 had jamming problems...by the time I got to Nam thing were worked out and the 16 wasa great piece ..."

It's not wise to take the advice of non-experts, "Doc" is so I listen to him ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/13184821@N07/4011451162/in/set-... (read the comments)