Re:Python Wheels
by metalliqaz on Monday August 03, 2015 @07:23PM
(#10000576)
I'm in the likely unique position of being a serious Python user that has almost no experience with virtualenv, pip, setuptools, or any python packaging. I have no control over the hosts I have to support, which means I can never count on packages to be installed. I almost always use pure python 2.5-2.7. I'm also a Windows user.
From that perspective, I can see the OP's point. For most of Windows history, if you needed a library installed, you'd install it. Every installation was accomplished through the familiar Windows installer. If you needed a newer version, you installed it. There was process, and one target.
Now take modern Python. A new layer has been introduced, where you may run every project in a new target, or through the 'default' install. In addition, you have libraries and packages that may be installed through one of several different installers or processes, most of which are different than the OS's package management, and which aren't necessarily compatible and aren't tightly managed. This is on top of multiple python versions that may have to be installed.
I can see where he's coming from.
That being said I love Python and I respect the work that has been done to allow such a vibrant user base.
Re:Python Wheels
by pekk on Monday August 03, 2015 @11:42PM
(#10001517)
You're a serious Python user that has no experience with any of the last decade's tools for packaging, and you find things hard without using any of those tools, and THAT'S why you can see where he's coming from?
From that perspective, I can see the OP's point. For most of Windows history, if you needed a library installed, you'd install it. Every installation was accomplished through the familiar Windows installer. If you needed a newer version, you installed it. There was process, and one target.
Now take modern Python. A new layer has been introduced, where you may run every project in a new target, or through the 'default' install. In addition, you have libraries and packages that may be installed through one of several different installers or processes, most of which are different than the OS's package management, and which aren't necessarily compatible and aren't tightly managed. This is on top of multiple python versions that may have to be installed.
I can see where he's coming from.
That being said I love Python and I respect the work that has been done to allow such a vibrant user base.