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Re:Ban me at the IP level if you don't like me on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @06:47AM (#45024788)
Not the person you talked to but I'll join in if I may.

I've switched to using allowlist/denylist in computer contexts because more descriptive and less semantically loaded or contested. Easy win-win.

Using 'black' to refer to the color of objects is fine by me.

'Black power!' as a political slogan self-chosen by groups identifying as black is fine too, in contexts where it is used as a tool in work against existing inequalities (various caveats could be added).

As for 'white/black' as terms for entities that are colorless but inherently valenced (e.g. the items designated white are positive and the items designated black are negative, such as risks or costs), I support switching to other terms when not very costly and when newer terms are descriptive and clear. Such as switching to allowlist/denylist in the context of computers.

As for import, I don't think it is a super important change and I don't think the change would make a huge difference in terms of reducing existing racially disproportional negative outcomes in opportunity, wealth, wellbeing and health. It is only a small terminology change that there's some good reason to accept and no good reason to oppose, so I'm on board.

Re:Ban me at the IP level if you don't like me on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @06:34AM (#45024699)
> different from conditionally having access, or having access for a pre-set period of time.

Irrelevant since the terms allowlist/denylist do not presuppose conditionallity or pre-set time limits.

> If someone says to add an IP address to an allow access list, that’s longer

Allowlist/denylist (9 + 8 chars) is shorter than whitelist/blacklist (9 + 9 chars).

> Inventing a personal language

Sounds like you think the proposal was to invent a whole new language (or one per person)? I would be against that too. But it is really only about updating a technical industry term pair to a more descriptive and less semantically loaded pair. Win-win.

> we aren’t going to solve racism by literally removing black and white from our language.

Changing to allowlist/denylist would not remove the terms black/white from language. There is good reason for making the change that do not involve any claim that doing so would solve racism.