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>You seem to be suggesting that instead of elections, people can decide who their leader is by having a civil war instead.

That's not my position at all. You cut context.

>I don't think it is chauvinism to prefer a system where fewer people have to die to effect political change over one where inevitably many more people die.

You and I agree here.

Would you say Russia has free and fair elections? Their election only months ago did provide a supermajority of seats.

If yes, would you agree than the average Russian supports Putin and the war?

>This is a callous viewpoint. My heart goes out to the Russian citizens living in an effective dictatorship.

You call me callous, that's fine. It would seem others agree with you as I'm quite downvoted. I have a surprising number of Russian interests like Chess. The Russian chess community rejected this war.

We have to remember that our liberal democratic way isn't the only way. It is not our place to tell other countries how to run their countries. That is up to the Russian people to decide. Do they agree with Putin and if not, are they as strong as the Arabic people? Will they overthrow Putin?

Shrug? Russia can do whatever they like to their people. Not our place to tell them what's right or wrong in governing their own people. Our problem is the unjustified invasion of Ukraine.

I look at recent history and many Arabic people rose up against their governments. Those people are a strong people and they did it despite high risk of throwing their civilization into civil war or worse.

Canadians have been there to help refugees from those torn countries each time. We will be there to help Ukraine just as we did for Syrians.

As for Russia, we are done being lied to by them. We don't need any interaction with them anymore. They are completely blocked for the immoral and unethical invasion.

The best way to end the war is diplomacy and sanctions. Not making the war much deadlier and larger.

Ukraine didn't join military alliances. This isn't our war.

Russia has done lots of things before this, but they weren't invasion of a sovereign nation.

We don't approve of this war ethically or morally. Russia is no longer invited to be involved with us in any way.

For a long time the nimby and environmental folks have lobbied against nuclear power. You can look up their reasoning. Without nuclear, you are effectively arguing for coal or other fossil fuels.

Here in Ontario, canada we have no coal plants. We have some hydroelectric, but mostly nuclear. For every MW of renewables created, we have to build 1:1 parity for fossil fuel as we stopped building nuclear. So if the goal is to get to carbon neutral, we aren't doing it. Not even in the plans to get carbon neutral. Largely due to lack of nuclear. Now some environmentalists are arguing for nuclear power, very confusing.

I dont think we should build any more nuclear fission. The better future option is nuclear fusion. I realize we haven't quite figured that out, but lets build the first one and figure it out.

Title for me says: European shares and Wall Street futures drop after fire at Ukraine nuclear plant

I doubt NATO is considering a noflyzone and has declined.

First of all, why is there male and female to begin with? Why dont we just have non-discriminatory competitions? If the answer is that no women can compete against the top male competitors. There is a biological difference between the sexes.

There's 2 good videos on this subject.

Joe Rogan on Fallon Fox. This is his domain of expertise and he clearly argues that there are sports in which trans shouldn't be able to compete against women.

Neil Degrasse Tyson interviewed Joanna Harper on the subject of trans people competing against women in sports.

It certainly seems like society needs to discuss this issue and make some hard decisions.

>Not only does the position exist, but it's a good example of a false belief. Identifying and excluding such beliefs from public debate is very important.

Ukraine doesn't exist. This is all fake news by western countries to smear Russia.

Would you like to debate me on whether or not Ukraine exists?

No, that's not a real position to debate. Instead what the article is doing is no different than all the 'science deniers' stuff. How dare you deny the dogma of science!

>There are certainly people who think that Covid is a hoax. There aren't many, but they do exist.

Sure, but there's no point writing an article about such a non-existent position. Unless the point is to strawman. Which we have seen far too much of lately.

At what point do you as the nuclear plant operator consider chernobyl 2.0?

You know Russia would ultimately take the blame.

>502 Bad Gateway

I'm originally from the Detroit area. Naturally you have lots of factory mentality. Wherein workers will not work unless you're standing behind them whipping them. Largely speaking unions got very strong because these middle managers live and die by metrics they themselves dont control and can become brutal to their workers. Like for a long time you couldn't go to the washroom while at work. So what would people do? They took a dump right there on the job.

Somehow this is how managers are trained; and this is how you're expected to operate as a manager. Doesnt matter if you're white collar or any other collar. Your manager is expected and actively trained to micromanage you as often as possible. Your manager will come by hourly or so and look at or ask you what you're working on. They'll often input how you're doing it wrong... even if they have absolutely no chance of knowing how to do it properly. The bikeshedding becomes extreme. It mostly demotivates people to be responsible for everything and often 1 person ends up responsible for everything and that person takes all the heat from the manager.

Who denies covid exists? Cant see anyone in that group.

Who denies the claimed severity of covid19 being equivalent to the spanish flu? Hopefully everyone stands up... because that's completely deniable now. However, that's the claim that justified the unprecedented actions of locking down civilization. As opposed to the established standard of locking down just the sick.

Who has lost faith and trust in the medical professionals turn politician because of the endless lies as proven?

How about the misrepresentation of health measures taken throughout the process? How about the endless human rights violations.

How many people lost their job because they were pregnant and couldn't get vaccinated? The list of medicines allowed during pregnancy is VERY low. A pamphlet would be too big. Business card would suffice. Oh but you want to say the vaccine is safe for preggos? LOL. No... you just wanted to fire all those pregnant nurses. But wait... werent nurses in huge demand before covid... now you fired a bunch? Now you have such a shortage that you are obligating nurses to work insane hours?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/nurses-union-submits...

Oh wow. Nobody saw that coming /sarcasm.

Russian currency will eventually bounce back some as it trades into other asian currencies. Not to mention the currency is still backed effectively by natural resources. But nobody wants to rush to those exchanges because that currency is going to be wrecked. BUT there will be a firesale. Russian folks are going to be working for cheap and be dumping those resources to maintain.

There's going to be a ton of due diligence on all these. Eventually it will be determined that Russia didn't intend to do it. It was some newb who shouldn't have shot. Won't matter. Eventually Article 5 will be triggered by Russia. That's the problem about the fog of war.

Recently had a co-op who would argue with you about literally anything; even if they were literally just wrong.

Something went down, contact X.

Coop: X isn't the same company. It should be Y.

No seriously, same person. Contact either will be same person.

Coop: Same name, different people. I need contact information for X.

No seriously, same person.

Coop: I called some absolutely third party and they didnt know who I was talking about.

So what are you going to do now? You really need to contact X. The sooner the better.

I was very surprised to see virtually all hacking groups declare war on russia over this war. So many APT groups are Russian but they do oppose the war. The expected cyber war is all Russia's to deal with.

The actual war isn't going well at all. Their reg troops are driving by wrecked russian equipment destroying their morale.

So they can't deal with reality, send everyone who dissents to prison.

>What does HN think?

I think Russia's opposition to a defensive alliance is that they have been planning the full invasion for quite some time. Ukraine never joined a military alliance because Russia guaranteed their independence and thusly kept NATO at bay and not 'on their front porch'. When Crimea happened... it made sense for crimea to be their own republic. But Russia's own actions and breaking of their diplomatic commitment is what brought the defensive alliance to the forefront.

As part of the plan to invade non-nato entities, they needed big allies to use as an umbrella. China's no limit alliance is giving them the breathing room to invade.

The expected cyber war never showed up, it seems all hackers turned on russia. Even conti melted down. This only leaves an infowar.

It seems to me, the attempt to crush Russia via sanctions is a primary goal. If a nuclear power can be crushed under sanctions and prevent war. It tells the entire world that war is no longer allowed. Borders are what they are, start building tall. Get free trade going.

The war in Ukraine isnt going well for Russia. They cant touch Romania or Finland. Georgia is rushing to get into the EU to avoid a similar fate. Yes Russia is threatening nuclear war over these but Russia probably cant touch it.

The big wildcard seems to be china. If they invade Japan, South Korea, Australia, India. Which is the fear... that will be World War 3. I can also tell you... that fight will be so broken... Nukes will fly.

Oh ya, like I totally dont get the relationships going on in asia. Pakistan, who typically hates Russia, is supporting them? China has a no limit alliance that apparently has limits. The 3 of them are seemingly dunking on India. India used to be good friends with Russia. Then you have border issues between India and China.

>Cyberattacks are not limited to borders or geolocation- it can be sent/executed from anywhere at all times. And, like the letter mentioned, the request wasn't to "remove" Russia from the internet but rather restricting access to the routing towards Russian sites.

Yes I know. That's why i said 'directly from', sure attacks will be proxied through bots or whatever.

>Nope. China and Russia share an oligarchic & mercantilistic ideology. They share a common adversary. They are economically interdependent. They conduct military exercises together. The countries support each other diplomatically. One even wonders if the West's preferred outcome is regime change in Moscow that weakens the Sino-Russian relationship.

This is something I don't quite understand.

After Crimea happened, nobody really did much. 70-80% of Crimea is Russian and it probably should have been their own republic after USSR fell. However, Ukraine just kind of got to keep that land? It was ultimately a problem. It's fine for Crimea to be self-determining.

NATO has never threatened Russia. A defensive alliance is never a threat. Obviously you only find it a threat if you have plans to invade like they do. Yet China and Russia feel threatened?

Even more unusually... it is NATO who feels threatened. They are worried China and allies are about to invade various entities. Taiwan is the first one, but Japan and South Korea are immediately next. India shortly after. Australia is not long after India. Obviously the USA will be involved in all of those.

Lets also look at the tally card. Russia is the one doing the invade thing. Not anyone else. What has been the response? Everyone united against Russia's aggression. Said, 'no thanks we're out, you can go play with yourself from now on' Where's the threat from us? We ultimately dont care about who is in power. We said, nope, we are closing our borders to you and your trade. We cant ethically or morally support Russia in their actions.

Mind you, who am I? I'm nobody and know nothing. China's own actions will reveal the truth in the near future.

If China truly believes in world peace and the end of cold war mentality. Building tall is far more intelligent than invading for land. It is china's ally right now who is breaking this. It is their ally whose actions are justifying the 'west' to be so defensive and feel threatened.

You know what the west wants? They want the sanctions to work. If such powerful sanctions can cripple a nuclear power's ability to wage war. The threat to the rest of the world is that the same will happen to you if you declare war. It would mean we are post-war. People can feel safe within their borders. Nobody is threatening anyone else anymore.

Sure militaries must still exist. Civil wars, insurgencies, etc are still going to exist. United Nations peacekeeping will always be a thing in the world.

china could lead the way. recognize taiwan as a country within a country. see quebec in canada. Then hold russia up to their diplomatic commitment to ukraine. dispell the rumours they are about to invade and demand immediate peace.

You can't remove Russia from the internet unless you remove literally all their neighbours. Kazakhstan for example has how many links in and out of Russia? Do they not have the sovereign decision to make those connections? You can't just cut Russia off.

I think the 1 decision that could be made by the Sanctioning countries... At the big tier 1 peering exchanges you could blacklist all of Russia. Don't have to worry about cyber attacks coming from Russia directly anymore.

Lets not forgot pushing themselves into the arms of China who ideologically hates them. They hold Manchuria... if the '1 china policy' is such a big deal... shouldn't they want manchuria back asap?

How the hell is Russia and China allied at all? China is basically the one protecting Russia and allowing them to invade Ukraine.

>Interesting shift in US blob narrative, from Xi was embarassed and played by Putin because he's a foreign policy dummy, to now insinuating PRC endorsed invasion because superior US intelligence.

I dont think anyone is saying Xi is a foreign policy dummy. They have been pretty non-interventionist and Putin is KGB by his own words.

Immediately before the invasion Putin screamed to the world about their 'no limit alliance' and then immediately invaded a sovereign nation.

If China knew, then their words are lies. Xi Jinping lied to the entire world. Multiple other chinese officials lied to the world.

Worse yet, china's 'constructive' help coming soon is not going to be the help the world wants.

>s if PRC doesn't have recon sats and cyber abilities to make their own determination. NVM western OSINT of RU build up was sufficient to illustrate that invasion was probable. IMO politburo knew chance of build up turning kinetic but was under no illusion they can sway RU pursuing security interests.

That's just it... The idea I have is that China was aware of the new republics to be protected. The build up was to protect those. Not invade and annex all of ukraine.

>RU certainly can't disuade PRC from moving on TW if geopolitical situation dictates.

Nobody is dissuading anything against taiwan. If China wants it, and my pov is that they already own it... they could just take it. They aren't recognized as a country and have no military alliances. Not unlike ukraine.

> It seems US/NATO has failed to sway PRC (and India, UAE, ASEAN, Brazil) will continue to hedge / stay neutral because frankly they're not going to undermine self interest just because white people are now being shelled. So discord sowing continues to further entrench LIO block and shaming developing countries for buying wheat and fuel, which current sanctions explicitly allow.

This confuses me. The point of view that Putin embarrassed China is the neutral position. The China knew about this isn't the neutral position, it's the China is taking up and raising their army for various targets. Obviously Taiwan, but Japan, South Korea, India, and Vietnam.

Afterall, if there's no limits to China Russia alliance. There is no limit in terms of supporting the efforts in Ukraine. But at least so far... China has basically been sitting back. It implies there are limits.

>The notion of 'active' wars has been all too fluid over here. We had been involved in the Bosnia and Herzegovina intervention as recently as the mid-90s so nothing really got a proper chance to cool down.

I didn't know NATO was involved at all. My understand it was entirely United Nations. Reading it, still seems that way to me. Kind of feels like it was UN peacekeeping mislabeled as NATO.

We just need to stop all this war shit. Step back and shore ourselves up.

>Well..President Xi has himself openly declared that re-unification of Taiwan - along with all ancient Chinese domains will happen within his term of governance. And no (sane) leader declares more than one planned invasion at a time. So plans for annexation of India's eastern provinces are on hold presently.

Lets not forget Manchuria. Russia actively owns chinese land. If one china is so important to invade taiwan... giving up on manchuria seems backwards.

For all I know China invades everything soon and world war 3 triggers. Asia will probably be an absolute shit show. But from my point of view reading xi jinping. It seems more and more like he understands that war isn't good for anyone. The very low funding on military means he can invest so much more into themselves and that's how they grow so much more.

>Japan & South Korea are pretty impossible to annex without extreme mass casualties, especially with the extraordinarily heavy US military curtain and the eye-boggling dense build-up of weapon systems in place.

What I hope for, Sanctions against Russia work really well. War ends and the world tells the world that we are all united against territorial conquest. Our crippling sanctions can even stop a nuclear power.

Then everyone settles down knowing they aren't threatened like this again.

>It's hard to be sure, but he is now surrounded by (ex?) multibillionnaires who have all of a sudden lost much of the ability to enjoy their airplanes, yachts, houses etc, ONLY because of voices in Putin's head telling him about his historic mission (or whatever those voices are telling him).

On paper they are still billionaires because the stock exchange was shutdown. I really don't know how much power they have exactly. I doubt they have any sort of assassination capability. Nor do I expect them to exercise this.

Ultimately this is about defunding their war. Their ability to sustain this war has a very short lifetime now. They are now excluded from the global community. The Russian people are headed into poverty.

We get to just sit back and let that happen.

>Can you give examples, because from my limited view all Canada has in terms of renewables is hyrdo.

For example, https://www.canadiansolar.com/ Windmills and solar farms are everywhere.

That I suppose is another huge problem in canada, we have a severe lack of grid scale energy storage. Be it pumped hydro or whatever.

In fact, one of the big problems in our grid is how many greenhouses have switched to led and sodium lighting. TONS more energy is being consumed. Also a huge problem for astronomers.

>All of our automotive industry is owned by foreign manufacturers and relationships with Detroit are strained [1]. Plants have been shut down [2]. Canada has only just started to adopt EV, Europe is way ahead [3]. I will concede that both Europe and Canada aim to phase out IC engines by 2035.

That would be somewhat old news. Most of those plants have either plans to reopen or have reopened. Not to mentioned several new plants being built in ontario.

No doubt many places in Europe are way ahead and not to mention the USA is kicking our butt as well.

>In my opinion the stupid investment in that pipeline the government bought from the Americans after they backed out was a huge mis-step. That money could have been spent investing in solar.

Hindsight 20/20. Unless I can borrow your Tardis, I can't go change it.

Ok but it's not some vast annexation over a sovereign nation.

Canada and the USA has an awful lot of these kinds of conflicts. Worse when indigenous rights start to get involved.

Vietnam and China go way back for conflicts.

Our fear here is China invading sovereign neighbours like south korea, japan, australia, and the usa.

Is china planning to do that?

>Well, they do want Taiwan back.

Back? They currently own it. No country in the world recognizes them as their own country. They are not in the United Nations. They have no alliances.

If Taiwan declares independence and is recognized... and China invades to stop this. Who can even stop China if they decide to take them? Nobody is coming to their aid. This is a super silly thing to say.

>This is just public display. Actions matter: will they continue buying Russian gas and oil?

Russia's diplomacy was pure lies. Maybe it's true of China? If actions matter: what has china done wrong exactly? Have they invaded anyone yet?

Continuing to trade with a trade partner isn't an indictment.