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Re:RMS addresses the free software community on Monday April 12, 2021 @10:52PM (#26787660)
>Pedophilia is child sexual abuse

Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to children to be more specific, it is not child sexual abuse.

Re:RMS addresses the free software community on Monday April 12, 2021 @10:46PM (#26787625)
I am aware of it. r3856283 and RMS weren't. Is this that bad?
Re:RMS addresses the free software community on Monday April 12, 2021 @10:40PM (#26787586)
>the "emacs virgin" thing

He stopped doing it once people told him that it made others uncomfortable.

>being a creep ('tender embraces')

In the business cards that he gave out to people of any gender. This is not really a creepy thing to do.

>being abusive (https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1174044770546659329)

Miguel de Icaza is not a trustworthy person, especially due to the way that he betrayed the community. I am curious though, did he just sat there being passive-aggressive or did he tell rms to leave? Since nobody seems to have asked him about what actually happened I am going to.

>https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/1374460763910201350

I will also ask him about this because I am curious.

>being a jerk ("These birth announcements also spread the myth that having a baby is something to be proud of"),

Does not seem like a jerk thing to do.

>This isn't a 'oh, he said one thing one time about one person' situation, this is instead a lifetime of behavior that for anybody else would have had consequences long ago.

It would be great if the ones organizing harassment campaigns against him also agreed with you. So far they have been focusing on spreading lies about him (such as about epstein, the mattress, or his opinions) rather than actual repeated abuse by him after people expressed their dislike for it.

Re:RMS addresses the free software community on Monday April 12, 2021 @10:18PM (#26787486)
>It kind of misses the point it was never just about Minsky and Epstein.

This was how it started and this was also what most news reported on so I do not believe that it misses the point.

>Did anyone explain him that he downplayed the role of women in the GNU project?

Did you ask him?

>Did he ever correct his statements about no women volunteering to work on GCC? Did he even read the author lists?

Did you ask him?

>Did anyone ever tell him the Emacs virgins thing is very inappropriate?

He changed it after someone complained about it.

>That he doesn't have the innate wiring to recognise those subtle cues makes it more necessary for him to listen and take action on his behaviour because he is seen as the person behind the FSF and his actions and opinions reflect on the entire community.

This is a very ableist/sanist view. I would argue that it is the neurotypicals that should put the extra effort to be more explicit and not assume stuff.

Re:RMS addresses the free software community on Monday April 12, 2021 @09:44PM (#26787310)
I presume that he knew that she contributed to the glibc manual but not to the GCC. Why not ask him?
I do not see how this changes anything.
This appendix is pretty much filled with lies and misrepresentations of his statements. Please avoid spreading it. It is pretty much "fake news".

>"RMS has spent years on a campaign against using people’s correct pronouns."

This is false.

Stallman has informed opinions on these topics however. He is not some Q nutjob.

As for me, as long as they were being tolerant of others and did not withdraw from public dialogue then sure, I would not mind working with him.

>>That's exactly what these totalitarian wokists aim for: to make people afraid to oppose them.

>Look who is insulting people here and making assumptions.

Is there any other reason for the plugin? I personally know at least two people (not including myself) who did not sign it because they feared of being "cancelled".

I don't believe that I have ever seen RMS using this argument regarding GPL.
>including wanting to blacklist anyone who contributed to the extension

I think you refer to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26722528, if so it is more about giving them the same treatment that they give others. If anything it is hypocritical to say that the extension is fine but giving them the same treatment is not.

>and wanting to see everyone with progressive politics purged from free software entirely

This is... not true. RMS himself has progressive politics. A progressive can still reject insanity caused by other progressives.

>RMS supporters want to have Molly de Blanc arrested for simply writing a petition[0] to begin with.

Just a few corrections:

- It is not RMS supporters, it is a specific timecube-like conspiracy theorist that has been known to debian for a few years now.

- This article is more about the plainly false libel in appendix that molly knew about but has refused to correct.

>Lots of people on the spectrum know how to behave.

It is called a spectrum because it contains a lot of different conditions that vary significantly.

>but he doesn't have to be in the decision board of the FSF to do this

Please re-evaluate this statement. One could as well use "you don't have to be in the decision board of the FSF to be gay". He certainly does not need to be in the decision board of the FSF to do this but you do not need to be in the decision board of the FSF to do pretty much anything.

I would argue that being in the decision board (instead of being the president) of the FSF is a good position for him. He can continue steering the FSF on things regarding software freedom, can continue giving his talks, and the face of the FSF will be someone who is more desirable by donors and deals with people better I guess?

>He does not have any right to a particular job

No offense but I find this argument to be in bad faith. You would not say that for someone being fired due to being lgbt, would you? (whether it is legal or not is irrelevant here as this is about moral rights)

He was not ostracized because they found him "not competent to serve the organization in a leadership role" but rather because they were outraged at his opinions (combined with a misrepresentation of his statements along with lies and half-truths -- the pleasure cards, the mit office label, etc).

>Many people, including FSF board members, believed he was not competent to serve the organization in a leadership role.

It would be great if these people too didn't try to misrepresent what he said. Such as in http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2019/10/15/fsf-rms.html

>if your views hurt a significant amount of people

Stallman's views hurt people in the sense that some people got offended that he believed in things that they did not. None of his views could hurt people in any other way, he never posted any racist/sexist/transphobic/etc views.

Downvotes are not cancelling. Downvotes won't get you fired. Nobody will bully you for being downvoted (or even having this opinion really). They just show that people find your argument dishonest or disagree with you.

This is the article that started the whole "RMS defended epstein" lie. It contained a lot of other lies that the author has refused to fix. Considering all that I would say that it is not trustworthy. Even if it is true there is a good chance that it was taken out of context or was a joke. The first one sounds like one, as for the second, I can't defend it but I think that someone who says that needs support rather than harassment, or could be said in jest, for example "oh woe me, what shall I do, I have no real reason to continue living if I can't be with you!", considering how the article tried as hard as possible to misrepresent what he said it sounds possible.

Regardless, even if the suicide case happened as they said, I am not aware of him repeating it. Someone probably told him that this is wrong and he never did it again, isn't this exactly what we want? For people not to repeat their mistakes and stop what makes other uncomfortable? You are not born innately knowing that this is a bad thing.

There was another article about stallman 2 hours ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26707498

Direct link: https://stallmansupport.org/ (it debunks various attacks against him)

2nd throwaway because tor accounts have a limited number of posts it seems.