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Assuming you had code that somehow could either be packaged as a linux container, or as a Wasm binary, then the advantage of the latter would be that yes Wasm supports multiple CPU architectures out of the box, it also consumes less resources (memory, etc.), will usually have faster start times, and the Wasm security sandboxing is stronger.

My pleasure! Thanks for your feedback in this thread.

That’s not quite right. You can’t take an existing container app and just "export" it as Wasm. (Technically you might, but it would require a pretty big re-architecture and re-write, as Wasm doesn’t support garbage collection or multithreading at the moment. It also requires you use a language that can be compiled to Wasm, which can be limiting. Due to this, Wasm — at this stage — is probably best fitted to functions rather than full apps, although that is changing quickly.)

What you can however, is build apps for Wasm (or apps that combine Wasm and containers) with the same ease you currently enjoy when building pure container apps, i.e. see my comment above [0]

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33324093

Many people in the community have tried exactly this already, but it was hard to achieve without first-party support, which prompted us to build this.

Thanks for the feedback, I’ll take this to our Dev Environment team.

Tim again here. AWS announced support for containers on Lambda last year[0]

> the "main advantages" Tim describes are the same as Docker

Yup, that’s it! If you value Docker to build container apps, we think this will help you build Wasm apps in the same way, and the only container-centric abstraction this Technical Preview uses (packaging artifacts as OCI images) can be bypassed, if you prefer to deploy your artifacts as native Wasm binaries. The latter can be helpful if you are trying to get the full speed & efficiency benefits of a Wasm-native deployment, as the shim in our OCI package introduces a small performance penalty.

[0]: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/containers/containerizing-lambd...

That’s our experience as well… This Technical Preview is an early downpayment, and we’re definitely looking for feedback on how one may could make the Wasm development experience better!

Thanks for the catch! We’re working on a fix…

Basically yes: if you get value out of Docker for container apps today, we think you’ll get value out of Docker for Wasm apps tomorrow.

Not necessarily. We’re just wondering if distributing Wasm artifacts via the current state of the art can be helpful to help Wasm gain even more traction, quickly. Docker Hub is used by millions of developers and apps monthly, but there are plenty of alternative registries out there that you could use with the same approach!

I tried to answer this above[0]. Instead of trying to explain it again, I’d encourage you to give it a try[1], and if after going through the 5-minute tutorial you still don’t get the point then a) maybe we messed up (and I’ll be sorry for having wasted your time!) or b) maybe it’s not for you (and I’ll also be sorry I wasted your time). It took me a while to wrap my head around this Docker+Wasm thing too when I first heard about it internally — then again it took me months to wrap my head around my first demo of Docker, so maybe I’m just dense!

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33324093

[1]: https://docs.docker.com/desktop/wasm/

> I'm just sincerely confused at what problem this technical preview is intended to solve.

This is all good feedback, and we’ll definitely try to explain the added value better in the future. The main advantages we see in this technical preview are:

1. Easy, reproducible dev environment to quickly & reliably develop cloud/edge apps that target Wasm, or code frontend apps that target a Wasm backend (for example, as part of a microservice architecture). This is particularly helpful if you build apps that have a mix of Wasm & container components[0]

2. Easy way to share & deploy Wasm artifacts, using trusted infra like Docker Hub, but also Dockerfiles and Docker Compose

3. Transparent, reliable way to deploy Wasm applications to existing container-based infrastructure such as k8s (via OCI images) — but these apps can also be “unpacked” to run natively on edge infrastructure

> is it going to wrap the WASM binary produced by cargo in another layer of abstraction? If the latter, how is this new layer of abstraction different from just using one of the WasmEdge docker containers [0]?

Our approach is close to this. First, it was built with the WasmEdge folks, so you’re correct to detect the similarity. Second, it does wrap resulting artifacts into a OCI image, because we believe that can generate a lot of advantages (points #2 and #3 above) BUT you can also easily unpack the Wasm payload from the binary image at deploytime/runtime if you’d rather deploy your app on Wasm-native infrastructure (as opposed to container-native infra)

Appreciate the feedback. Hope the above helps.

[0]: https://docs.docker.com/desktop/wasm/#running-a-multi-servic...

> I don't know any dev looking for this or having a problem solved by it.

Judging by the reception at KubeCon & elsewhere today, we think at least some folks are excited by it. But it’s still early, and who knows, you may be right in the end. We launched this as a technical preview to test a hypothesis and learn from it, and so far the interactions from this HN thread alone have been greatly helpful.

Tim from Docker here. "Docker+Wasm" is just a shorthand for the Technical Preview build, which allows you to build both traditional container apps, as well as Wasm apps. Behind the scenes, we try to let Wasm apps be developed largely without interference from any container technology — just giving you a good local environment you can use to code against. That said, if you want, we do offer the ability to run Wasm apps within a Docker Compose application. We do also offer the possibility to package Wasm apps within an OCI image, with an embedded Wasm runtime (WasmEdge) so you can a) easily share these via an image registry like Docker Hub, AWS ECR, etc. and b) easily run this anywhere you’d run a container. That said it’s not mandatory, and if you want the benefits of (a) without the benefits of (b) you can easily unpack the image to just get the Wasm payload and run that however you want. We dove into the details of the approach at Kubecon today, and the video should be coming out shortly.

Tim from Docker here. Long live Wasm indeed! Obviously we feel a bit differently about Docker and k8s being in the past — Docker is used by 68% of professional developers according to the latest SO survey[0], and k8s is still growing in popularity at 28%. But obviously the technology landscape changes rapidly, and maybe one day (we hope) Wasm will be at 28%, 68% or higher. We’re frankly just excited about the possibilities, and wanted to help along the way :)

[0]: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#most-popular-technolog...

No disagreement here! Just to contextualize: Docker — the company as it exists today — is singularly focused on the development experience, i.e. the inner loop of code/test/build, not the outer loop of deploying to production (which is largely controlled by cloud platforms and k8s at this point). I know that separation can seem arbitrary, considering containers are largely successful because they help bridge the two, but that’s just the reality of what we’re focused on in our daily jobs @ Docker.

Within that framework, we see Wasm as extremely compatible with our goals of improving the local development experience, and yes, giving people alternatives to container-centric approaches. I’m personally inclined to agree with the points you are making about opportunities in orchestration, but we’re starting today by just trying to give people to a solid toolset that lets you iterate on your Wasm apps locally, and easily export the resulting artifacts, so you can deploy them as you see fit. In the process we try to be careful about shedding any container-centric assumptions, while porting over some of the wins of the docker tooling that we think can translate well to Wasm (easy local dev environment, standard artifacts, broad platform compatibility across Windows/Linux/M1, etc.) We will happily work with anyone interested in working with us to improve the production/deployment landscape for Wasm, and in fact I would say the main reason that drove us to launch this technical preview today, was to attract feedback on how the Wasm community (ourselves included) could best deliver an alternative path to production for applications going forward.

Hope this makes sense and that I understood your point accurately!

Tim from Docker here. Broadly, we agree. The goal of this Technical Preview is not to encourage Wasm to be mediated by containers in production, but rather to enable people to locally build & package Wasm apps easily. In production, that could look like a number of different scenarios, from "bare metal" edge (just running in a Wasm VM), to running your Wasm workloads in a nomad/k8s cluster if that’s what you need (e.g. if you want hybrid container/wasm orchestration).

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