throwmehaweh

> without evidence.

we're talking about an election that was won with razor thin margins in a few specific swing states, with numerous statistical anomalies, hundreds of sworn affidavits, and a pending lawsuit to the scotus with 17 states attached.

prior to 2020 election, the democrats, CNN, NBC, and many others are _on record_ saying that Dominion Voting has the potential for massive fraud & shouldn't be used.

the problem is that they're effectively saying no one can question these anomalies, or the claims, and that "youtube" as the expert has adjudicated the election.

the truth is that it could take years of investigation to resolve whether or not some of the alleged evidence was credible or not, and neither youtube nor the claimants can say it's truth until then.

why does big tech get to decide who's right? that's the problem here & why it reeks Orwell.

No, but they can use their enormous power and influence to get politicians into office that could write new rules allowing such.

> Like when he called Mexicans rapists/murderers/drug dealer

I think this validates OP's point. He never said all Mexicans are rapists etc, he was speaking about border security and describing the people illegally entering the country through the Southern Border. One of many soundbites spun into a scandal by the media and used to dehumanize him.

His supporters understood what he meant, his detractors took the media spin hook, line, and sinker.

yep that's what I'm thinking too.. I'm surprised cloudflare hasn't banned them yet, but I know it's coming.

It's funny I see this comment all the time on HN, but in a very similar scenario recently, where DHH launched Hey app and was stonewalled by Apple, I didn't see a single comment saying "hey just go build your own app store". Telling someone to "just go build your own" is lazy and weightless.

the proclamation isn't about ending H1B, it's about pausing it to allow the US laborforce time to recover from covid

The proclamation isn't even about ending H1B/H2B/J/L, it specifically says that it is to address the economic laborforce risk brought on by pandemic (thus it has expiration date).

> Please do not buy into the hype that this is the first step toward reform.

Where in the official proclamation does it say that it's a first step towards reform?

Answer: It doesn't. Rather it lays out exactly _why_ they're doing it to address unprecedented surge in unemployment.

"American workers compete against foreign nationals for jobs in every sector of our economy, including against millions of aliens who enter the United States to perform temporary work. Temporary workers are often accompanied by their spouses and children, many of whom also compete against American workers. Under ordinary circumstances, properly administered temporary worker programs can provide benefits to the economy. But under the extraordinary circumstances of the economic contraction resulting from the COVID-19 outbreak, certain nonimmigrant visa programs authorizing such employment pose an unusual threat to the employment of American workers.

For example, between February and April of 2020, more than 17 million United States jobs were lost in industries in which employers are seeking to fill worker positions tied to H-2B nonimmigrant visas. During this same period, more than 20 million United States workers lost their jobs in key industries where employers are currently requesting H-1B and L workers to fill positions. Also, the May unemployment rate for young Americans, who compete with certain J nonimmigrant visa applicants, has been particularly high — 29.9 percent for 16 19 year olds, and 23.2 percent for the 20-24 year old group. The entry of additional workers through the H-1B, H-2B, J, and L nonimmigrant visa programs, therefore, presents a significant threat to employment opportunities for Americans affected by the extraordinary economic disruptions caused by the COVID-19 outbreak."

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation...

> by the white supremacists and nationalists currently running our government and deciding our immigration

This type of baseless rhetoric is rooted in identity politics and underlies the current division in the US.

Directly from the Whitehouse Proclamation[0]:

"American workers compete against foreign nationals for jobs in every sector of our economy, including against millions of aliens who enter the United States to perform temporary work. Temporary workers are often accompanied by their spouses and children, many of whom also compete against American workers. Under ordinary circumstances, properly administered temporary worker programs can provide benefits to the economy. But under the extraordinary circumstances of the economic contraction resulting from the COVID-19 outbreak, certain nonimmigrant visa programs authorizing such employment pose an unusual threat to the employment of American workers."

[0] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation...

which part is bad policy? that part where the US is in the midst of it's worst economic recession in modern history, with record unemployment across the board, and so they want to pause foreign worker programs to allow a larger pool for US workers?

What about adding mandatory personal liability insurance for all cops, just like what doctors have to pay into? Then when they mess up, they are personally on the line instead of the taxpayer.

exactly, they’ve lost all credibility and are at risk of having cried wolf now

It’s the epitome of hypocrisy. How could anyone take them seriously now that they’ve shown to be complete frauds? Is it any wonder that half the country doesn’t trust the government lockdowns?

“Stay inside”, “don’t gather in groups”, “cancel your wedding”, “wear a mask during sex”, but oh hey, it’s OK to go downtown and riot, burn down buildings, and throw bricks at the police.

I've browsed TD since it's inception and haven't seen any violent, hateful, or racist posts.

That's not to say that they haven't ever existed, but certainly not anything remotely close to how it's perceived. And definitely not any worse than you would see right now on r/politics.