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Re:U.S. GDP grew at a 4.9% annual pace in the third quarter, better th... on Saturday October 28, 2023 @01:17PM (#38051596)

I have done this, its really great for me and my family. Kid goes to public school and most of our friends are locals. Would highly recommend everyone try this for a bit and make their own judgement.

Re:U.S. GDP grew at a 4.9% annual pace in the third quarter, better th... on Friday October 27, 2023 @05:18AM (#38036299)

So this is just moving goal posts IMO. End of day it's harder to go from the poorest to the richest. Speaking as someone that was born below the poverty line and but later was earning in the top 1% in the USA, going from sub 14k to 36k was gigantically huge...going from 50k to 250k in as short of a span didnt affect me very much, but moving to France and not worrying about medical bills or insurance companies again was a game changer ... YMMV and everyone is different

Re:U.S. GDP grew at a 4.9% annual pace in the third quarter, better th... on Thursday October 26, 2023 @01:40PM (#38029035)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/13/americ...

Actually the data I've seen states one is way more likely to go from the bottom 20% to the top 20% in many other countries than if you were doing it in the USA.

I'm open to any counter data, but I've read these same numbers in several sources and you can tease it out of my first link.

Re:U.S. GDP grew at a 4.9% annual pace in the third quarter, better th... on Thursday October 26, 2023 @11:00AM (#38026476)

Health spending is a larger percentage of GDP in the USA (16%) than in Spain (10%) by a good chunk (1.6 times more) [1]

My experience in being able to see q Europe seeing a GP is way better than in the USA but I know this varies by where you live (even inside the USA)

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/268826/health-expenditur...

Re:U.S. GDP grew at a 4.9% annual pace in the third quarter, better th... on Thursday October 26, 2023 @10:30AM (#38026093)

The statement being "but if I had to choose a country to get ahead in life with the most opportunities possible as an immigrant, US is still the country to be at".

I don't think your rebuttal addresses the data I linked at all or supports the parent point at all

Upward mobility is definitely down and the USA is no longer the world leader by some measurements. I get that won't persuade everyone but I'm happy to debate on that data instead of an unrelated discussion point even if it is interesting.

Re:U.S. GDP grew at a 4.9% annual pace in the third quarter, better th... on Thursday October 26, 2023 @10:22AM (#38025985)

Seems not always ?

https://millerestateandelderlaw.com/medicaid-out-of-pocket-c...

Seems can vary by state too

https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/cost-sharing/out-pocket-co...

Re:U.S. GDP grew at a 4.9% annual pace in the third quarter, better th... on Thursday October 26, 2023 @10:21AM (#38025973)

https://millerestateandelderlaw.com/medicaid-out-of-pocket-c...

Re:U.S. GDP grew at a 4.9% annual pace in the third quarter, better th... on Thursday October 26, 2023 @10:17AM (#38025918)

But it's not the case, it sounds good on paper but it has been a long time since the USA was a good place to lift yourself up by your bootstraps, there are so many things that hold you down on the way up that do not exist in other countries (really just the medical situation alone). That said I'm very glad you're happy and it has worked out well for you.

However, my only regret was that I did not leave sooner, it did not work out for well for me on the balance, IE I did make money, but my quality of life was less than middle class people have where I live now.

Sources:

* Growing up very poor in the USA, immigrating somewhere else. * The change over time https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-decline-of-upward-mobil... * Comparisons globally https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/social-mo...