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Re:Integration tests are a symptom of poor design on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @06:24PM (#15866111)
I will never question that he knows language and its obscurities, but real world in his case is even more different.

Scott Meyers is a C++ guy. I will bet that nowadays most of C++ programmers are in game development, HFT or other computationally expensive performance oriented areas, and there is this data-oriented design movement which goes against almost everything he ever said. There are entire constructs of language he is proficient in that are never used in real world.

Re:Integration tests are a symptom of poor design on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @06:01PM (#15865965)
Disclaimer: I mean no offense.

I am yet to see one production-ready real-world code example from such gurus of design of the past. Kent Beck, Bjarne Stroustrup, Scott Meyers.

I think that in 2017 you shouldn't be entitled for your opinion about design if you have nothing to back up your cases. Sadly, this also covers me with this throw-away account, but bear with me for a while.

When they started their journey the world was different and chains of thought that led them to their current points of view are long obsolete.

We are living in a different world with different values. My own experience with integration tests led me to believe that I cannot afford to skip on them. There are far more moving parts nowadays and it's better to know that something introduced breaking changes from tests than from angry customers. Something along long chain of dependencies that you did not even consciously knew you are depending on.

Now, some guy who is known only for some books he wrote in times of yore comes in and tells me I am doing it wrong, only on basis of his non-existent experience and unfounded authority? We already know what comes out of unsoliticed advice like that. We wasted decades on OOP modeling, UML and tons of other things that never came off.

There are now widespread ideas that he either conceived or popularized, but even these mutated to the point of unrecognizability.

How about we will move on?

This comment comes off as extremely offensive. You are basically saying that you, European people, democratically and unilaterally chose that you can extort people at gunpoint to make better living for yourself, parasiting on other peoples work.

I wouldn't exactly call these values "moral".

Apple should just pull out from Europe.