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Great, do you use their video conferencing (Talk?) at that scale?

Yeah I tested it out with the hetzner app on their smallest dedicated server and it ran fine.

Is storage share the managed service?

What does your usage look like? My use would be about 30 heavy daily users, another hundred sporadic. Mostly doc editing and video calls.

What kind of hosting infra are you using? Hetzner seems popular.

Any major recent security concerns, it seems to have a large attack surface.

He mentions nextcloud, has anyone been self-hosting this for a small org with 100-200 users?

They spend a lot of money on marketing.

No, there is an entire school of thinking that advocates the exact opposite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy

multiple other comments sharing my experience and expanding on it.

See the various other comments for concrete examples of why nextjs sucks and the team at vercel is incompetent when it comes to auth, middleware, caching, and just generally maintaining a usable framework without brutal migrations and api breakages.

They have made egregious mistakes that go far beyond "move fast and break things" and well into "we should have the lawyers join this call".

Agreed, its become its own terrarium like ecosystem at this point.

Didn't Meta donate $1m to Trumps bribery fund?

No and I say it's actually the exact opposite.

Its gotten so bad that when I read FE dev I interpret it as "React Dev".

Oh sweet summer child, you have no idea what is coming.

The second "happy to pay" becomes "we could hire a team of devs for what we pay vercel" you will realize you made a giant mistake.

Hopefully you will be suffering from success and have the runway to migrate away or just eat the costs, but many many startup die due to impossible unit economics driven by ridiculous hosting costs that platforms like vercel lock you into.

I was pretty involved in their stack back in the day, it was a good alternative to Django at the time for simple plug and play admin apps, and to this day i think they had the simplest OAuth setup of any framework I've used.

The real issues were the super tight coupling with MongoDB and their decision to roll their own package ecosystem instead of just using npm from day one.

I hated vercel and next long before Israel decided it was their turn at genocide.

So yes, it is a complete coincidence that vercel/next is garbage and that their CEO is cozy with fascists.

There are plenty of technical critiques of next in this thread.

I would start by googling "NextJs auth middleware bypass" if you would like concrete examples of their incompetency.

My experience is that a lot of people on this forum are afraid to voice negative opinions on tools they use at work.

Seen a lot of people in my professional circles shit on Next/Vercel over beers, but then go to work every day and bang out Next because it's what their manager chose 5 years ago.

Vercel can only ride that wave until the people who hate their product are the decision makers.

so instead of learning a useful transferrable skill they talked to their magic mirror and got an output that approaches correctness without the necessary knowledge to verify it or maintain it going forward without their magic mirror.

To quote the author:

"The insane part is I didn't write a single line of this code. All of this was created through conversations with the Cursor AI agent. I don't even know how we got here with AI."

This is about as interesting as your average TODO MVC tutorial.

Not at all, they are two different critiques.

1. Vercel / Next are complete technical trash wrapped in egregious vendor lock-in. This directly influences their desire to steer the react foundation in a direction that aligns with their roadmap for Vercel/Next.

2. Their CEO thought it would be a good idea to have a photo op with perhaps the most controversial figure in world politics. This just means he's not nearly as smart as he thinks he is and likely needs a handler.

By hand? Ok Grandpa.

I only vibe code in my Metaverse open office by thinking with my Beta NeuralLink.

i make throwaways on this site regularly and use them until i say something to piss dang off and get shadowbanned.

your comment would be a lot more interesting if you attempted to pose a counterpoint besides "BOT!".

I'm a non-american and I don't trust their government as a steward any longer.

I've diversified into international markets that are more resistant to the whims of a dictator and his feeble attempts at monetary policy.

Also any gains in dollar denominated assets should include the >10% haircut the USD has taken since the fascist coup.

the US dollar is down over 10% since they elected a fascist, no stop order for that.

My "favorite" is when it makes a mistake and then tries gaslight you into thinking it was your mistake and then confidently presents another incorrect solution.

All while having the tone of an over caffeinated intern who has only ever read medium articles.

That is known as "ignorant bliss".

Their financial interest in react is less blatant.

Vercel wants to own React, its been obvious about it for years now.

This is the vercelization of react peeking through, that people even associate react with ssr is an anti-pattern.

It is also my opinion that 5 years from now Vercel will be out of business and their customers will have moved on the next hype driven VC cash laundry.

I don't use nextjs because it's a steaming pile of unmaintainable black-box shit.

The CEO's politics are just icing on the cake.

The 3D printer analogy doesn't hold up though, that implies design, engineer, and knowledge of your constraints.

It's more like a pachinko machine that rewards the user with house like objects that may or may not work.

If the user builds their house with it and it collapses and kills their family fine, but you can't use a system like that to build anything where you might have external liability because fundamentally you don't understand the problem domain and an ai model cannot hold a civil engineering license and be held liable for structural collapse.

Peak react was React 16 imo.

It's a discussion about Vercel and he's the CEO.

If he didn't want political commentary being brought into discussions about the company he leads he should have used his big CEO brain to determine that a photo op with a highly polarizing fascist world leader is not a good look.