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but what about the many years after? the sobering up? bottom up consequences?

i'm part Ukranian. Raised in Germany. My family's social circle is huge. Almost none of the Ukrainians left Ukraine.

And almost none of those live in the east. Some fled to the country side but are already back in what the German media portrait as war zones.

my elders gave up. They say that if the higher classes don't care, nothing can be done.

and their German friends believe the news instead of calls between brothers and sisters who've been talking almost weekly for the last 30 years.

the same with the Russian side. And only few hardliners support the war. their logic is shared by a majority of the Ukrainians.

and i can't make up my freaking mind.

did they sell out their country? many Ukrainians say people votes for Selensky because they knew he would bring the war. Amd when I checked the data, Selensky got only 30 something % of Ukrainians on his side, which is standard given how many people don't vote at all.

then you check the news and studies and humanitarian reports dating back into the nineties and you think you realize what the hell is going on but the media turn everything 100 degrees and the voices that advocated for the truth suddenly switch sides. WHAT.

and it seems even worse with Israel-Palestine.

i don't know how to deal with how well-doing people like hackers and engineers and scientists deal with how the media and politicians treat the truth.

and it hurts

this part of the story is well documented but thanks anyway.

i was wondering about the firsthand experience of realizing it's all fake in the many years after 9/11.

especially from educated professionals and financially well doing professionals.

i only know working class accounts

hm. that's exactly my experience with my Ukrainian and Russian elders. they watched the news, made a couple of phone calls into Ukraine and Russia and didnmt believe the German media would run the stories as they did. "the Americans did it again", they all agreed.

just googled him. was the clearstream II thingy some CIA Op to get people like de Villepin out of the way cuz he don't play along with fake stuff?

what was it like to experience it firsthand?