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Re:Suckless.org: software that sucks less on Saturday February 22, 2025 @03:34AM (#43137268)
> For the record, though, no one who gives a downvote should ever feel obligated to reply. Writing out a thoughtful, supported disagreement to something takes work, and often the effort required exceeds what anyone might want to expend.

Sure, I agree. I counter that it means not that my comments didn't deserve a reply, but that due in part to what you correctly stated, not all comments that deserve replies get them. :)

Re:Suckless.org: software that sucks less on Saturday February 22, 2025 @03:23AM (#43137232)
> What about the comments from metux/Enrico Weigelt?

Yep, that seems straightforwardly bad. Even so, I don't consider metux a suckless.org guy, but rather a deplorable person who contributes to multiple projects, one of which is hosted on suckless.org. The link you posted was from a Devuan mailing list.

Someone else used the example of Xfce, but suckless.org is a much more informal place that basically is a collection of separate projects with a similar aesthetic.

> But the more these individual things come together, the more they build a picture,

Sure, judgmments like yours are reasonable. I wouldn't begrudge someone choosing to avoid suckless over it, or even publicly voicing concern about the suckless community. But it's tiresome when every comment thread ostensibly about dwm, dmenu and st receives wild accusations of suckless.org being a community of nazis.

And I really think there's zero evidence of the torch walk being anything at all.

Re:Suckless.org: software that sucks less on Saturday February 22, 2025 @01:54AM (#43136729)
> I work on Xfce in my spare time with a small group of other developers from around the world, and if I learned that one of them was a neo-nazi...

I think FRIGN is odious but my judgment is that a gross edgy joke (the hostname) and one reference to "cultural marxism"* isn't sufficient to call someone a neo-nazi. Well, more importantly, believing it isn't sufficient (as I do, and I suspect the suckless people do) does not mean people like me or the suckless people are, as you word it, "tolerating or accepting neo-nazism".

*Despite Wikipedia's only page on cultural marxism being a redirect to "Cultural Marxism anti-semitic far-right conspiracy theory", it is not unusual to rail against cultural marxism in normal conservative circles, including respectable anti-Trump anti-anti-semitic circles like National Review and Tablet. See for example https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/just-becaus... ; but I don't want to veer this thread into off-topicness, only to provide evidence that complaining about cultural marxism doesn't make someone a neo-nazi.

Re:Suckless.org: software that sucks less on Saturday February 22, 2025 @01:32AM (#43136625)
It is gauche to complain about downvotes, but I'll do it anyway: in this comment, I provide multiple sources that clearly outline the history of this subject, and get immediately downvoted. In my other comment, I ask for a source in response to a (false) assertion made with no evidence, and get immediately downvoted. Both of these comments deserved a comment in response, and neither of these comments deserved multiple immediate downvotes.
Re:Suckless.org: software that sucks less on Saturday February 22, 2025 @12:10AM (#43136290)
> It's worth noting the 2017 tiki torchwalk was with in solidarity of the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville.

Source?

Re:Suckless.org: software that sucks less on Saturday February 22, 2025 @12:09AM (#43136289)
FRIGN is not a lead dev, he is simply a dev.
Re:Suckless.org: software that sucks less on Saturday February 22, 2025 @12:07AM (#43136284)
> One of their hosts is named after Hitler's military headquarters

If by "their" you mean a suckless.org host, no, that's not true. A hostname in the outgoing mail headers of one person posting to the mailing list was "wolfsschanze", i.e., a machine on that user's LAN, not a suckless.org server. The person in question was FRIGN. This got attention because he personally repeatedly pestered Lennart Poettering, who noticed that string in the mail headers and called it out on Twitter. https://web.archive.org/web/20190404160024/https://twitter.c...

Lennart correctly noted that this hostname was the personal laptop of one person, but this morphed in the public consciousness to "a suckless host is named after Hitler's HQ".

> one of them has been known to go off about "Cultural Marxism,"

This person is also FRIGN. Specifically it's a reference to this lobste.rs comment: https://lobste.rs/s/nf3xgg/i_am_leaving_llvm#c_ze5ccy

I hear these same two things repeated over and over as evidence of nazism within suckless (example, the Wikipedia talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Suckless.org), but it is one person (who, granted, maintains at least one suckless.org project https://suckless.org/people/FRIGN/). I think badly of him as a result, but I don't see any reason to disbelieve the multiple Germans who tell me that torchlit walks are a common German tradition, or to tie it to the Charlottesville march, which was extremely untraditional in its geographic location.