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When the Senate declared we torture people and the president decided not to prosecute.

How many bad apples until people declare the whole batch spoiled?

The more I consider your argument the worse it becomes.

How many times have we heard politicians complain a foreign country is blaming their problems on outside forces and rallying its people by saying they do what they must to protect themselves from the evil west or whoever?

How is your argument rhetorically different than any demogogue in history? Obama stands up and has the gall to drcry foreign extremism, meanwhile he stands silent on the torture occurring in front of him in his own yard.

War is not peace, despite how often you shout such nonsense.

This is not a response to my question.

Also, stop attributing arguments to me and that I'm not making here.

Judged by their actions, American policy makers have zero interest in improving the life's of ordinary civilians throughout the middle east. We ignored Bahrain, we are actively supporting the Egyptian junta, we arm random Syrian rebels, we indisrimately bomb the former remnants of Iraq.

But answer my original question, you seem to be fully willing to work for and defend n entity that tortures and murders without cause, would you also work for a mass genocidal killer? How is it controversial to express repugnance for those willing to abet torture?

So your argument is yeah we torture and murder people without cause but this other guy over there, he tortures and kills even more people so it's okay.

America is also recently responsible for hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties in Iraq and surrounding countries. We continue to support a military junta in Egypt -- anyone want to dredge up Obama's beautiful speech about freedom he made in Cairo?

No one has really responded to my question, how bad must your employer be, apparently torture isn't bad enough, before you refuse to work for him, or at least stop applauding people who sign up to go help out at the torture club.

there is a difference between being robbed and joining the muggers.

Disgusting that anyone would receive praise someone for assisting an entity which tortures and murders.

The fact that you are being down voted is a shame.

The US government tortures people and cares not for the rule of law, this is the entity people seem perfectly happy to support? Where do people draw the line? Is it at genocide?

Thanks for defending the government which tortures and ignores the rule of law, great job dude.

Nothing will change until people stop complying with government demands.

Yes, people and companies need to openly defy unjust laws. NSLs should immediately be published upon receipt and litigated against.

The Arab spring was largely crushed with the help of American largesse. We ignored Bahrain, we never stopped funding the Egyptian military and said nothing when they reestablished control.

People are unwilling to oppose government control, and when they are they get crushed by outside forces. People in American continue to work for the government, it's even considered prestigious.

We can't even prosecute torture. People who believe in the government are dangerous idiots.

50% gains every 18 months is beyond extraordinary, it's miraculous and only to believed because it occurs again and again.

Batteries improve something closer to 8% a year which is merely amazing.

And the people who defend gov even longer.

Funny thing about prostitution is if you tape it and put it online it suddenly becomes legal porn.

Recent independent security review of Estonia online voting suggests it really isn't secure.

https://estoniaevoting.org/

why anyone works for a government which openly tortures is confusing to me. Where do people draw the line, is it at genocide?

I know, let's pass a law to make this illegal!

How many more examples do people need of government maleficence? Voting won't change the status quo, you've already been cut up and dealt with as pleases those in power.

How will delivery work if it is illegal to fly drones over bystanders?

Another win for the corporate lobby, meanwhile start-ups can throw another idea in the trashcan or risk fines and possible jail time.

Funny how they way they abused their power was by getting a law passed.

If my company released a report stating that management tortured people but they weren't going to do anything about it then yeah I would quit, how is this controversial?

If people don't draw the line at torture and murder where else is it drawn, genocide?

No matter if they were consulted, but they surely must know that their paymasters torture, if my boss had a torture chamber I wouldn't be showing up to work every day, but I suppose you might.

Yeah, they would put me in prison otherwise right, so by threat of force I must materially support a group which kills and tortures, wonderful.

"Rent is too high, I know let me pass a law to make high rent illegal".

Rent control is causing a shortage of suitable living areas and property owners are ignoring maintenance costs.

"Well then, let's pass another law!"

Property owners are passing rent controlled properties to their friends and family, or influencing local government regulations to do complicated rezoning laws or even straight up bribing inspectors

"hmmm, well let's just pass more laws then!"

How many times are you willing to try a solution that continues to fail before you give up? It would be funny except in the mean time your belief that a couple "smart people(TM)" passing laws is ruining the lives of the very people you profess to want to help.

EDIT: The fact you believe it is perfectly reasonable for landlords to be held hostage and forced to do 'buy outs' of tenants who refuse to leave an apartment that isn't theirs is all I need to know about your thug mentality.

People also ignore that those with power and closest to the laws will also benefit the most from them.

Rent control also leads to gross nepotism where the relatives and friends of the wealthy are given first dibs on rent controlled properties by the owner of the tenement building. A quick google search will reveal how common it is for those most well off to benefit from such government run schemes like rent control.

Making it illegal to be poor or homeless doesn't magically make the problem go away, or making it illegal to use drugs doesn't stop drug use -- in fact Portugal demonstrates that making drugs legal reduces drug use.

You know the single best way to reduce violent crime? It is to increase wealth, people don't risk bodily harm if they have enough money to eat and sleep under a roof.

You explanation is not understanding the fact that when a cop stops a white and a black with marijuana it is the black who goes jail. When a black and a white go before a judge with a charge of marijuana possession it is the black who is convicted and given a long prison sentence.

What do you call a justice system that catches two people in the same 'illegal' act but only one of has their life ruined? Certainly not just.

Depending on the state, it costs over 20,000/yr and sometimes over 40,000 to house each inmate, state's tried to solve this problem by contracting out to private prison complexes, and often they would give the private companies large tax deals and even free or heavily subsidized land. Of course these private companies do what every private company does, took the generous offers from the state and plowed more money into politics to get even more generous offers, better deals, more pay, and more business.

Sadly, trying to explain simple economic facts to people on HN is a good way to get down voted if it involves criticism of government regulation.

Much of the Midwest draws from the Ogallala Aquifer which is also under severe strain and has been overdrawn for nearly a century, many describe the water as 'fossil' water because the aquifer took many hundreds of thousands of years to grow to the size it has become and it's replenishment rate is significantly lower than our current demands.

The Colorado river is also running dry, sometimes it does not even make it to the ocean, which is a basic sign of environmental health -- when rivers run dry significant changes occur rapidly. The Rockies which feed this river has had lower annual snow pack than expected for many years running now.

New agricultural land in the US will be coming from the north as the climate continues to become dryer and warmer, already Canadian farmers have experienced a renewed vigor and development. Unfortunately there will likely be some land and water use competition between fracking as well as the Canadian Boreal forest, one of the largest and most pristine wildernesses in the north american continent.

I also want to add one more thing, 'farmers' as a category is not your salt of the earth, homespun family anymore. Most crops being grown are actually produced by large multinational conglomerates, the fact that people picture the downtrodden poor of the dust bowl whenever someone uses the word farmer is a triumph of marketing.