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Re:Don't Be Nice on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @09:59AM (#49801428)
>then how would you define a native American?

In the context of the wave of post-1492 European migration to America, I would define it to mean as anyone who isn't coming from that specific migration wave. It would remain easy, so long as the specific migration wave is still easy to distinguish from the the others.

You're now saying explicitly that if some new archeological evidence showed multiple waves of Polynesians in large numbers, then you would suddenly have trouble defining the distinction between a native American and an European in the post-1492 context, but this still seems completely absurd to me. So I'm afraid I don't really know what you're talking about.

The point that I was making is that this is the "definition" I would use for Britain as well, when discussing a very specific phenomenon of modern migration into Britain. Anyone who was there before the modern wave counts as native. As with all attempted formal definitions of real world phenomena, you can keep digging at and asking whether e.g. the Polish or Irish waves of immigration are distinct from the "current" ones that people are talking about. But there shouldn't be any doubts about the Normans 1000 years ago any more than there would be about the hypothetical Polynesians.

Re:Don't Be Nice on Sunday September 20, 2026 @01:36PM (#49778004)
What are you arguing then?

>Britsh history simply makes it impossible to come up with a sensible definition of indigenous

Taking the example of the Normans that you mentioned somewhere else in the thread, what's the difference between them and your hypothetical pre-Columbian group? Why does the Normans make it impossible to come up with a sensible definition of indigenous when another migration wave arrives, while the hypothetical pre-Columbians don't?

Re:Don't Be Nice on Sunday September 20, 2026 @12:50PM (#49777529)
>If you can find a still distinct pre-Columbian group who migrated to the Americas in the last millennium or two I would agree they are not an indigenous population.

That's not really what the argument is about, it's about whether such a group would invalidate the concept of "native American" entirely such that it wouldn't be meaningful to distinguish between the native Americans or the non-native European Americans. That's effectively what you're arguing for Britain, and it's absurd.

Re:Don't Be Nice on Sunday September 20, 2026 @11:55AM (#49777078)
Being displaced has nothing to do with native or not native. If nobody ever got displaced and there was just a small minority of European-descended Americans concentrated in one place, the common understanding of which ones are the native Americans wouldn't change.

The fact that the native population of Britain changed repeatedly thousands of years ago doesn't seem very relevant either. Are you saying that if new evidence showed that the native populations of America or Australia were the result of multiple ancient waves of migration rather than just one, that would change anyone's mind on which ones are truly the native Americans or Australians? That's obviously absurd.

If you really want to turn this apparently simple discussion about the common meaning of words into a matter of first-principles definitions, I guess I could give it a try, and it would probably have to bring in things like whether the waves of migration retained a significant identification with their place of origin. But it seems totally unnecessary.

Re:Don't Be Nice on Sunday September 20, 2026 @09:27AM (#49775656)
You seem to be betting on this strategy that words can keep being changed to mean anything you want depending on the political context, forever, but at some point it will just make you look insane. "Native British" is not something ambiguous that's a matter of opinion or that goes into quotes, any more than Native American ever was.
Do you have any examples?
Re:Four Years of Jai on Friday April 18, 2025 @04:14PM (#43731493)
>Yes, this is the downstream effects of designing APIs this way. Breaking them up into smaller chunks of state makes it significantly more pleasant.

What they're describing is the downstream effect of not designing APIs that way. If you could have a single giant GraphicsState and define everything as a method on it, you would have to pass around barely any arguments at all: everything would be reachable from the &mut self reference. And either with some annotations or with just a tiny bit of non-local analysis, the compiler would still be able to ensure non-aliasing usage.

"functions that each take 20 parameters and return 5 values" is what you're forced to write in alternative to that, to avoid partial borrowing errors: for example, instead of a self.resize_framebuffer() method, a free function resize_framebuffer(&mut self.framebuffer, &mut size, &mut several_other_pieces_of_self, &mut borrowed_one_by_one).

I agree that the severity of this issue is highly dependent on what you're building, but sometimes you really do have a big ball of mutable state and there's not much you can do about it.

Re:Four Years of Jai on Friday April 18, 2025 @09:19AM (#43727824)
>In that era you actually did need to "fight" to get obviously correct code to compile because the checking is only looking at the lexical structure.

NLL's final implementation (Polonius) hasn't landed yet, and many of the original cases that NLL were meant to allow still don't compile. This doesn't come up very often in practice, but it sure sounds like a hole in your argument.

What does come up in practice is partial borrowing errors. It's one of the most common complaints among Rust programmers, and it definitely qualifies as having to fight/refactor to get obviously correct code to compile.

You're probably thinking of "slabs" or "slotmaps"
Yes, it's a map that provides efficient random deletes and contiguous hole-free storage, proving that they are not completely at odds with each other.

If you don't care about the map part, you can get the same behavior by just moving the last element in the place of the newly removed element. This invalidates all indices, which is what the DenseMap's overhead is meant to avoid, but Vec's remove also invalidates indices. Vec's remove is strictly worse except that it preserves the ordering if the Vec is sorted.

Re:Pyspread – The Most Pythonic Spreadsheet on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @01:35PM (#40288891)
If venvs were a reasonable solution here, presumably the pyspread authors would have included them in the installation instructions. Instead they just say to "pip install", which predictably does not work for most people. It sounds a bit unfair to tell someone that "they're the problem" when they followed the official installation instructions to the letter. I would agree in classifying this as another case of python developers being unable to provide a working way to install their software (if code that the average person can't even get to execute can even be called "software".)