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The vanilla out of the box product is actually quite close to old Trello, in simplicity. But there are so many ways to fuck it up and overcomplicate it, and so many companies proceed to fuck it up and overcomplicate it.
Must be nice to have money to burn. But if I had to guess, this doesn't seem like representative consumer behavior that Anthropic or OpenAI should rely on holding up at scale.
I don't know about everyone else, but there is no way in hell I would pay even $200 for API-priced tokens for personal use. So at least for my sample size of one, Anthropic's revenue would not be higher if they dropped their subscription plan (they would get $0 from me instead of $200 per month).
Could not agree more, this needs to be table stakes for any usage based service.
To me the really bad sign is that this is the benchmark that they selected to highlight. Why not one of the less-saturated benchmarks where this harness could (in theory) show meaningful improvement over the OpenCode baseline? Seems fishy to me.
Without trying it, this seems like its probably just a massive waste of tokens.
My gf loves the custom Codex "pet" she created that emotes as she uses Codex to build her recipe website. I don't care to turn the pet on when I'm using Codex, but I can't believe there are people who find a way to complain about it being an option. Please lighten up.
From context, I took this to mean 90th percentile in token usage. So yes, being a top token user does require extensive AI use.
In my opinion, concluding that Copilot is "winning" right now is like concluding that Internet Explorer was winning while Chrome was still young. It may be technically true, but it's easy to see the writing on the wall -- that it's only winning because it is the default option available at most companies.
I have never met a satisfied Copilot user, and as a consultant I met a lot of Copilot users. It's hard to believe how totally and completely Microsoft is shitting the bed. As you point out, they have the enterprise integrations. Why can't the build a good product with them? Generational blunder, in my opinion.
I've worked in corporate environments for nearly two decades, and I can assure you that I have seen a lot of very low-quality "handcrafted" code running in production. I don't really see "handcrafted" as a signifier of quality, even if I agree that SOME SPECIFIC handcrafted code is better than SOME SPECIFIC AI-written code (and vice versa).
I cannot believe how tone deaf this quote is. Mind boggling. Veep, torture nexus-level parody.
> “Because you go on to X or you go on to Reddit and you go, why are people so mad at us when we've been doing the same thing for nine years?” Langley said. “And why are they so mad at us for things we don't do? And we just want people to be safe.”
I find this story to be heartwarming. I hope the employees flee to companies with missions and products more worthy of their talents.
I went so far as to cancel my $200 Claude Max account (after having it since launch) in favor of the equivalent OpenAI subscription, primarily because I feel like it goes so much further. Also Astra is pretty great.
But to each their own! I'm sure this experience is very dependent on the types of work you're doing. I'm doing basic web app development as as simple personal assistant automation stuff.
The difference with AI is that the agent becomes the first level of triage. It (many times) asks the easy initial questions (did you turn it off and on again?) so I don't have to. Doesn't always work like this, but often enough.
Respectfully, I disagree. When you have 5 users using an app sandboxed within the corporate firewall that just does some CRUD and basic workflows, these problems you're calling out really just don't matter much. Some do some of the time, but not much.
Obviously not all software falls into this category. But so, so much does. Do you know how many thousands of tiny applications are maintained by big all non-big-tech corporations? I've seen many of them up close -- the code is usually complete garbage (seriously, it's bad; and alas, most was written before the age of AI coding agents), and yet, the business continues to operate and use the software.
For the vast majority of software out there, this quality gap simply doesn't matter. Not everything is big tech, needing internet scale. Most software built by developers at non-tech companies are simple line-of-business apps used by a handful to a few dozen or maybe a few hundred people to do a thing a bit better than the Excel spreadsheet that was used before.
And AI has essentially automated the development of this kind of software. Or rather, it has dramatically increased the ability of skilled developers to produce larger amounts of these kinds of systems.
Excel hardest hit.
I really hope Anthropic doesn't follow, but I assume they will eventually because why wouldn't they? Google and Meta obviously will, with great enthusiasm.
Open models are the only hope, I guess.
I like this feature as an OPTION that is DOCUMENTED. But that's not how it was rolled out. The CC team + processes clearly failed here. And this is far from the first example of this kind of slopiness.
I don't think it was malicious, but I do think it was quite obviously reckless/careless, and I feel like most of the comments here match that sentiment. Everyone and every team makes mistakes, but unfortunately I don't see the CC team really learning from those mistakes even though they keep happening.
CC is not a stable or reliable tool, it is bleeding edge, and that's a tradeoff you make when you pick it over other harnesses.
Sure, AI can auto-complete the line, but it can't write full functions.
Sure, AI can write functions, but it can't complete full features.
Sure, AI can write full features, but it can't build full applications.
Sure, AI can write full applications, but it can't build them in the right way / ask the right questions / write beautiful maintainable code / do what _I_ do..
Time will tell.