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Re:COI – Chat Over IMAP on Friday February 22, 2019 @02:46PM (#19228476)
Re:COI – Chat Over IMAP on Thursday February 21, 2019 @01:41PM (#19219377)
We thought of that a lot. But like our other baby, http://id4me.org - where we chose use use DNS and OpenID and mesh it into a federated identity protocol - email infrastructure is simply there, it's federated, robust, run by millions of servers, large and small, tested, filtered, pounded, drowned, abused you-name-it. That buys some extra overhead.
Re:COI – Chat Over IMAP on Thursday February 21, 2019 @01:39PM (#19219339)
Yeah, so why not put everything in one bucket that you control, your mailbox. Part of the idea.
Re:COI – Chat Over IMAP on Thursday February 21, 2019 @12:22PM (#19218497)
And yes, we want to open the chat ecosystem to many many cool clients made by you all for every taste and use case. Beyond the obvious WhatsAppySnappyChattySlacky varieties, if you think it through, you can even envision Twitter and Facebook-like clients. Sounds crazy but we cannot imagine why not. Plus normal Email clients can be seriously pimped.
Re:COI – Chat Over IMAP on Thursday February 21, 2019 @12:19PM (#19218466)
Current thinking is that the IMAP servers connect directly, but via SMPT for message transfer, but without the store-and-forward, once they are trusted via a token exchange. May be blocked though in server deployments (ports).
Re:COI – Chat Over IMAP on Thursday February 21, 2019 @12:18PM (#19218448)
Chat over SMTP/IMAP/MIME just doesn't sound right, or does it? We also thought of Chat over Email, or Chat over Mail, But Chat over IMAP gave us the COI (fish), which we love. Decision made :)
Re:COI – Chat Over IMAP on Thursday February 21, 2019 @12:11PM (#19218388)
We are http://www.open-xchange.com, http://www.dovecot.org plus people from the Delta Chat community and http://spikenow.com - plus whoever whats to join.
Re:COI – Chat Over IMAP on Thursday February 21, 2019 @11:34AM (#19217993)
Chat messages will land in a separate folder for the servers that support COI. For the others they will be collated into normal mail messages with a small delay, but yes, it may end up being many.
Re:COI – Chat Over IMAP on Thursday February 21, 2019 @11:32AM (#19217971)
We have about 7bn total unique active (3 months) accounts in the world, 50-60% is Gmail, Outlook.com, Yahoo and a few more, 40-50% are real IMAP servers, of which 76% use Dovecot. Very large deployments include companies like Comcast, Deutsche Telekom, 1&1, LGI (Ziggo, Virgin Media, UPC) with 10m+ user deployments, and yes, a veeery long tail of millions of small servers and anything in between. But COI will also play fine with GMail and friends.
Re:COI – Chat Over IMAP on Thursday February 21, 2019 @09:50AM (#19217200)
https://xkcd.com/1810/ even better.

But hey, we are using IMAP and Mail which is already in the picture.

Re:COI – Chat Over IMAP on Thursday February 21, 2019 @09:40AM (#19217138)
POP-only mailboxes are pretty rare these days. A lot of users still use POP, but I guess mostly because they configured the mail client a decade or two ago and are not touching it again.
Re:COI – Chat Over IMAP on Thursday February 21, 2019 @09:38AM (#19217127)
We work with the great Delta Chat community and contribute to it. COI will enhance IMAP and the email formats for clients like DC to be able to provide more robust real-time chat and channel functionality and to make implementation of chat clients on email easier.
Re:COI – Chat Over IMAP on Thursday February 21, 2019 @09:36AM (#19217111)
You will be able to chat via email even if the IMAP backend does not (yet) support COI. You lose features, though.
Re:COI – Chat Over IMAP on Thursday February 21, 2019 @09:35AM (#19217103)
Yeah, Dovecot is part of Open-Xchange, the number comes from http://www.openemailsurvey.org