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Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @03:56PM (#24992969)
Guess this means we should remove as many rules as possible to avoid monopolies.
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @02:25PM (#24992183)
Markets form naturally from consensual interactions of goods and services for money.

I suppose you could argue the government creating the money allowed the market but alternatives currencies would be created like gold or now crypto.

Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @02:16PM (#24992091)
> Corporations don't exist as an entity except via the authorisation from government.

Eliminate corporations from being legal entities. They shield employees from their illegal actions and provide a shield against lawsuits. Then we could avoid the extra litigation necessary for Peircing the corporate veil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piercing_the_corporate_veil

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Friday October 02, 2020 @02:51PM (#24665798)
Fair enough. Where are your numbers?
Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Friday October 02, 2020 @02:56AM (#24659747)
"US Public schools blow everyone else out of the water if you shave off the bottom 10%."

Again, I don't know who you're referring to by "everyone else."

"Where is yours for that $90k BS."

Enjoy!

Federal Breakdown 2019 in Billions:

$59: EITC Refundable Tax Credits - https://www.usaspending.gov/federal_account/020-0906

$29: Child Tax Credit - https://www.usaspending.gov/federal_account/020-0922

$64: SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Programs) - https://www.usaspending.gov/federal_account/012-3505

$51: Housing Assistance - https://www.hud.gov/sites/dfiles/CFO/documents/3%20-%20FY19C...

$57: SSI (Disabled, blind or senior citizens) - https://www.usaspending.gov/federal_account/028-0406

$31: Pell Grants - https://www.usaspending.gov/federal_account/091-0200

$16: Temporary Assistance for Needy Families - https://www.usaspending.gov/federal_account/075-1552

$23: Child Nutrition - https://www.usaspending.gov/federal_account/012-3539

$12: Head Start - https://www.acf.hhs.gov/about/budget

$5: Job Training - https://www.usaspending.gov/federal_account/016-0174 , https://www.usaspending.gov/federal_account/016-0181

$5: WIC (Women, Infants, and Children) - https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/wi...

$5: Child Care - https://www.usaspending.gov/federal_account/075-1550 , https://www.usaspending.gov/federal_account/075-1534 ,

$4: LIHEAP (Utility bill help) - https://liheapch.acf.hhs.gov/Funding/funding.htm

$1: Lifeline (phone payment help) - https://www.usac.org/wp-content/uploads/about/documents/annu... Page 8

$409: Medicade - https://www.usaspending.gov/federal_account/075-0512

Total: $771 billion

People below the poverty line in 2019: 33.9 million - https://www.statista.com/statistics/233138/number-of-people-...

$771 billion / 33.9 million below poverty citizens = $22,743

$22,743 * Family of 4 = $90,972

THIS IS JUST FEDERAL SPENDING AND DOES NOT INCLUDE STATE AND LOCAL SPENDING!

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Thursday October 01, 2020 @06:33PM (#24656872)
Or they have better governments.

When the problems in Detroit and LA subside maybe I would be with you on this point.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Thursday October 01, 2020 @06:31PM (#24656858)
Capitalism is not hypothetical and we have evidence of it. The wall falling in 1980's Germany and seeing the stark difference in quality of life being one of the more dramatic examples.

"Prove that our schools are actually carrying out indoctrination."

The pledge of allegiance. https://www.forcedschool.com/post/69947261758/the-prussian-m...

"modeled on the public school formula" and "The system may be quite stable over time"

Like Detroit or LA?

"actual effect on competition."

Better quality goods and services have been the observed effect of markets.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Thursday October 01, 2020 @02:32PM (#24654502)
"unrelated to the actual school itself"

Like corrupt administrations that siphon funds needed to fix buildings teaming with cockroaches.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016...

We can postulate how a top down approach might work but these students will still be suffering while we sort and continually monitor (we won't) the system.

Involving market forces and allowing parents to have say in where their children will be educated puts the power in the most effective hands for change.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Thursday October 01, 2020 @02:21PM (#24654371)
Good points. We just don't have that vacuum to test as gov's differ.

Market forces improve conditions. Motivations are realigned to the incentive of the parent's satisfaction with their kid's education. Service improves when you have competition.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Thursday October 01, 2020 @02:07PM (#24654207)
Motivated Parents is everything. Focus your programs on that instead?

"Second, let's see what happens if we fund private and public schools equivalently."

Detroit get's $14k per student. Cost of living in Detroit is low and barely anyone who graduates is literate.

I don't think funding's the problem.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Thursday October 01, 2020 @02:03PM (#24654160)
Perhaps an increased voucher for special needs students is in order.

Society is disadvantaged when intelligent students aren't allowed to achieve their fullest potential. We need programs that allow students to independently work at their own pace. We'd have a ton more 15-16 year old's attending college.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Thursday October 01, 2020 @01:58PM (#24654094)
"US Public schools blow everyone else out of the water if you shave off the bottom 10%."

Who is "everyone else?"

"US taxpayers would rather throw money at prisons and police instead of education and social workers."

Agreed. End the war on drugs and personal freedom. End the wars, bring every troop home, from everywhere. Cut the military budget.

"I mean outreach to families and help getting them what they need."

In 2019, we spend $90,960 per family of 4 on welfare. The money's there. Unaccountable bureaucracies waste money. This will never change.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Thursday October 01, 2020 @01:43PM (#24653916)
Increasing the voucher for special needs students?
Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Thursday October 01, 2020 @01:39PM (#24653883)
Denmark.
Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Thursday October 01, 2020 @01:38PM (#24653874)
Detroit LA Baltimore Chicago ect...

There's so much room for improvement.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Thursday October 01, 2020 @01:37PM (#24653862)
You have a lot of questions. Denmark has money tied to the child and not the school district. Look into their system for more answers.

Everything is a process of improvement overtime. The reality is, we don't have all the answers ever. What matter's is how much things are improving overtime. I don't see that with public schools.

I could easily ask you a ton of questions on how to fix Detroit or LA schools.

Allowing competition fixes a lot of problems.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Thursday October 01, 2020 @01:29PM (#24653732)
Denmark ties education funds to each student, not the school district. They seem to be doing fine.
Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Thursday October 01, 2020 @01:28PM (#24653718)
Based on the levels of death caused by government brain washing the answer is pretty clear.
Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Thursday October 01, 2020 @01:26PM (#24653686)
"Don't worry, _______ will provide."

I know. Capitalism is great!

"Of course the Prussian cabal has been secretly controlling our schools for as long as Prussia has been a country, but effectively?"

Prussia set the model. Our country uses it for our country's indoctrination. Not a hard concept.

"And I don't see voucher schools in my state offering radically different education, but rather, just doing the same thing with better discipline and fewer special needs kids."

Why?

"Most children in Denmark attend public schools."

But the funds are tied to the children, not the school district. Doing so would create more competition in existing public schools.

"Working people had to pay these other people and for what?"

The productive capacity this money enabled. Except instead of the gov doing it 1000 miles away, they had skin in the game, took risks and monitored the situation to ensure success.

I wonder if the inflation from money printing can be used to level out deflation from 90's bad debt/bankruptcy/shrinking population?

The only issue will be when Japan has an ungodly amount of old people with no money to take care of them because the gov spent it all. And no population to tax because they stopped having children.

And no goods or services because not enough people are providing them.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Thursday October 01, 2020 @12:49AM (#24647445)
I think you're thinking about this from the opposite perspective. We spend ungodly amounts of money on education.

For instance Detroit Public Schools spend $14,259 per student per year.

There is more than enough money to provide services.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Thursday October 01, 2020 @12:45AM (#24647416)
What if there's not a(n) _______ with in 40 miles? Yet loads of people live 40 miles away from a lot of things. Somehow the market provides for them.

"What if a large region has exactly one company operating schools?"

Like today with government run schools?

"What if that company goes out of business during the school year?"

Fair point. Are you assuming there won't be competition? Stager voucher payments through out the school year.

"Why aren't other countries lining up to try voucher schools?"

Indoctrination. Very effective way of controlling thought. I would recommend reading the origins of US schooling, from Prussia. https://www.forcedschool.com/post/69947261758/the-prussian-m...

"Let's see some success stories."

Denmark. Education dollars are tied to the student not the school district. Their kids are pretty smart.

"What are the choice criteria that parents are supposed to sort out when trying to get their kid into an available seat?"

More choice then what they currently have. Markets, devoid of gov incentives (unlike health care and education), do a good job with oversupply.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @11:28PM (#24647031)
Market forces fix all of this. Give vouchers and let the parent's decide.
Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @11:26PM (#24647016)
Like Denmark!
Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @11:24PM (#24646997)
Give everyone vouchers and education will be 10 times better.
Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @11:20PM (#24646980)
I grew up religious and believing weird stuff. College also fixed that for me as did the internet. I still went to public schools.
Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @11:17PM (#24646955)
"I'm just saying that they are a good way to meet people from different backgrounds early on."

Or hate the people your government tells you to hate.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @11:15PM (#24646946)
It's the other way around.

Prussian's realized when most conscripts were faced with war, they would pee their pants and run away.

"The Prussian mind, which carried the day, held a clear idea of what centralized schooling should deliver: 1) Obedient soldiers to the army; 2) Obedient workers for mines, factories, and farms; 3) Well-subordinated civil servants, trained in their function; 4) Well-subordinated clerks for industry; 5) Citizens who thought alike on most issues; 6) National uniformity in thought, word, and deed."

This horrifies me. More so that we do it here in the United States.

https://www.forcedschool.com/post/69947261758/the-prussian-m...

Their should be no government run schools. Give parents a voucher and let them decide.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @11:03PM (#24646863)
I'm guessing you never saw a kid get his head smashed on the ground during lunch.

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