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you mean like dealth-tolls into the hundreds of millions when the various gov't institutions implemented 'gun control'?

You are confusing the last 50 years with the last 5000 years.

so asking a question is now a 'down-votable' offense on HN? WTF people? either don't answer or point them in the direction of some research. Don't down-vote, you arrogant fucks.

Seriously people, get over yourselves.

the problem then would be that only the 'important' people would have guns. I don't see any politicians giving up their security details. I don't see Diane Feinstein or Chuck Schumer giving up their 'concealed carry' licenses. Its a classic "Do as I say, not as I do."

If they can carry in their overly restrictive states, why can't the electorate? don't they have the same rights? No? because political elitism.

Even in that bastion of fascism, NJ: http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/03/lawmaker_let_nj...

I'll just leave this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0

...speaking of 'unhelpful' to the conversation, please explain what 'We' can do about it? Nothing. The fact is that CONgress actually legalized domestic propaganda (which is what this is).

'raising awareness' does nothing as the snowden incident showed us. 1984 is the SOP now.

see my comment on being the "World Police". This country supports and props up dictators all the time. Why should we pay for a war (with dollars and blood) in another country when we can't even help the homeless here?

You as a human being will make sure your children/family are fed first, before you give to someone else, right? How is that any different as a nation?

article NOT behind a paywall: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/06/15/home-depot-visa-master...

TL;DR: chipped cards are not as secure as swiped cards. Also, CC processing is expensive.

This is EXACTLY what democracy is. THIS is how it works. Two wolves and a sheep trying to decide what's for dinner.

you may be thinking about a 'Republic', in which the rights of the minority are protected, but THIS is democracy in ACTION.

While I am no fan the POTUS' international policies, I am even less a fan of war or being the world police. These 51 'diplomats' are mid-level and all 'career' diplomats.

Civil war sucks, but sometimes, you have to let the people fight. Few, if any country in the world exists today because it's people wouldn't fight for it (take a hint, Iraq).

My senators are douchebags. They (almost purposefully) split on nearly every important vote, thereby saving the 'state' from being on the 'losing' side... never mind having a united front on anything...

we definitely need term limits.

that still makes no sense as far as 'intelligence' goes. First off, rural and urban birds have different overall diets. if you stick a french fry in front of a rural bird, it might not know its supposed to be 'food'. Same can be said with water-bugs and urban birds. there are too many factors to consider - though they could have and just not reported the specific metrics.

Then you must address the fact that SCOTUS is now adjudicating law based not on the law itself or precedents or logical reasoning, but how the individual judges personally feel the law should apply... which is why congress is hemming-and-hawing over it.

also, much like Soylent Green, companies are now 'people'...

no, but the Supreme Court has already put limits on it. What if they start defining 'hate speech' as they have in Europe?

history shows otherwise, even if 'philosophy' disagrees.

"One such test involved setting a dish of food and timing how long it took the finch to eat it;"

How is this a test of "intelligence"? Biology, metabolism and food drive maybe, but "intelligence"?

confidence in congress only went down 10%? they must be polling the lobbyists or something...

Things like this is what was said when the gov't instituted 'welfare'.

"If their food and basic necessities are taken care of, they'll have more money to put towards housing and education to get out of the 'hood."

where does that money come from? where does it end?

a better idea (IMO): No taxes on the first $25k. That would be up to $25,000 tax free for everyone... high enough to help people in low-paying jobs, low enough for us not to care if someone games the system by make $24k and deferring $2k.

any arguments against?

If one is willing to have their 2nd amendment traced, it is only assumable (and a matter of time until) the 1st amendment is traceable.

they're called 'slippery slopes' for a reason.

does that mean you're also agreeable to online tracking, maybe a 'license' to get online?

Yes! its a good thing we've already made weed, heroin, crack and meth illegal. because no one is doing drugs. Prohibition really works!!

over 60% of 'gun deaths' in America are due to Suicide.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-most...

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/24/suicides-acc...

Yet another inconvenient truth no one wants to talk about or even accept.

An 'unofficial' pole here on HN shows most people are in favor of 'death with dignity' or "self-determination", but apparently as long as it doesn't involve a loud noise and a mess.

bummer - whats the next best vendor?

/seems a bit off topic, but here goes:

Part of that is that 'domestic terrorist' has not been defined. As we can see with the IRS, whether you agree or disagree, the fact is that they specifically targeted companies with names thought to be associated with a specific political bent. They had 'responsibilities' and 'oversight', but the people in charge of that either didn't care or purposefully broke the 'rules'. Does 'the State' then designate those 503c orgs as 'terrorists'?

If you start defining terrorism the same way the State department does: "the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."

then that opens the flood gates of every agency who has armed agents to be defined as a 'terrorist' organization. Why does the EPA/IRS/Dept. of Ed have armed agents? Hell, try not paying your property tax and see what the local Sheriff's dept. does... This country is based on taxation by threat of violence...

oh it does to some degree, but I've only seen it once here on HN. What I meant by that is that the MSM doesn't cover it nearly as much as one of these sensationalized events. You don't see the headlines much (if at all) on MSN, CNN or Huffington, but they scream about guns when something like Orlando happens.

The differences being that the guns are usually legally purchased by the assailant (aside from Adam Lanza) and that the victims are (in the majority) Caucasian.

>>Since gun control seems to go nowhere, maybe it is time to reconsider allowing the NSA domestic access?

HA! they're gonna do it whether we 'allow' them access or not... As if 'We' had any say in it...

well, considering MORE (legal) gun ownership promotes LESS crime, these incidents only increase knee-jerk reactions in people who already have certain agendas set in their minds. Look at the big picture.

Airplanes crash killing hundreds at a time, its STILL the safest mode of transport... Also, why aren't the 'gun grabbers' complaining about Chicago where this happens EVERY WEEKEND? Are 'gun grabbers' racist?

Violent crime is on the decrease. an 'inconvenient truth' that 'grabbers' don't like to talk about. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/...

one of the issues the article brings up, but does nothing (that i saw) to debate it is in regards to 'mental health'. At what point is someone deemed 'unfit' to own a weapon? schizophrenia? depression? anyone on 'medication'? and WHO gets to make that determination? a politician more concerned about their next election than about the population as a whole.

There are people in prison and on trial who are 'forced' to take medication to make them well enough to stand trial. Also, the number of 'depressed' police officers and those currently in military service who are fighting depression is staggering.

The problem is, once you draw 'a' line, it will always slide. Hence, you see people up in arms (get it?) over their rights. Far too many people are worried about the immediate dangers than about the bigger picture as a whole. They're too worried about their own lives to see what is affecting the whole community, state, region, or country.

also - unsurprisingly, the article mentions nothing of the events that happen daily that guns are used to protect people - which put together, would equal the prevention of mass shooting, weekly, if not daily. Being the NYT, it doesn't fit their narrative.

First they came for the AR's. and I said nothing because I didn't own an AR.... where does that 'line' start, worse, where does it end?

try not paying your property tax and see what happens. Deeds mean nothing. Receipts mean nothing. Registration means nothing. The State owns everything.

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yeah, it scares the people on the right, while "... for the children." is whats used to scare the left. How ANY of us made it to adulthood is amazing.