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Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @06:49AM (#50178771)
DeepSeek's Anthropic compatible endpoint doesn't return logits. The accusation is that requests to api.deepseek.com/anthropic coming from Claude Code or OpenCode just replayed Claude's responses sometimes. The clients would have just happily consumed the responses, as they were already meant to be Anthropic compatible. And yeah, TPS and the response-distribution were incredibly different between DeepSeek and Claude models, which is exactly why people noticed.

Multi-turn conversations have much more entropy than one-shot responses, making it more useful to do synchronous distillation.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @06:35AM (#50178641)
You are postulating an organised psyop, where OpenAI and Anthropic are publicly lying about Chinese labs to paint an image of, in your words: "Oh no!!! The scary asians are distilling our models, but they only want the scary things!!!"

These lies are then further supported publicly my western media, random people on twitter, western governments, etc., all to paint China as an evil force that must be united against. Again, in your words "Your government is going to eventually tell you that we need kill a bunch of them too because they're so scary."

And you have dozens of independent parties pushing that same lie to that end and for that purpose? Sure, that's what the New York Times and CNBC must deeply want too. When CNBC writes that they've reached out for comments to the accused companies, but received no responses, they must be lying as well?

It shouldn't be hard for you to demonstrate DeepSeek denying it. Please, go ahead, link to a statement. China's foreign ministry has denied Chinese labs distilling, and, in the same statement accused US labs of distilling from Chinese models. Now that's a very trustworthy claim.

I call it a conspiracy theory because it's a conspiracy theory. Some conspiracies are true, but this one is not. Distilling is both trivially simple and produces objectively better models. Plenty of evidence points to that practice. But in your mind the labs in China are just morally too upstanding in engage in such lowly tactics to create better models, despite the evidence. And it's convenient that the evidence can be explained away by claiming it to be a psyop to paint Chinese as evil.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @01:02PM (#50169384)
> I think the more reasonable explanation is this is totally made up.

Based on what? None of the accused companies have ever denied Anthropic's accusations. And here you are confidently claiming it all to be made it. How much of a reputational hit to one's honesty do you think it carries to completely fabricate someone doing something, when they can just publicly disagree and disprove you? First thing DeepSeek, Moonshot, etc. would do if they hadn't would be to make a press statement calling out Anthropic for their lies.

DeepSeek routing to Fable was corroborated by many independent sources... since... everyone was able to just try it out and see it for themselves.

> Oh no!!! The scary asians are distilling our models, but they only want the scary things!!!

The straw man you're mocking doesn't exist. Non-Chinese labs are also distilling frontier models of their competitors. Elon testified in court that Grok was trained on ChatGPT outputs. And why would they not? It produces objectively better models.

Not everything is a grand conspiracy.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @10:47AM (#50167252)
DeepSeek's API used to (does still?) route your requests directly to Claude Fable[1]. Those were provably Claude Fable's responses being returned by the DeepSeek API. This was months after Anthropic accused them of distillation of Claude at scale[2].

Them provably distilling after being accused of distilling strongly indicates that... that's what they do. To spin a story of them not doing that (because why would they, with their superior talent and all) doesn't seem very reality conform.

The models are impressive enough as is (considering resource constraints and difference in CapEx) despite being heavily distilled from western frontier models. No need to pretend that they're not.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48966016

[2]: https://www.anthropic.com/news/detecting-and-preventing-dist...

Chalmers used them as a thought experiment to argue against physicalism and never believed them to be real.

Similarly, if consciousness is something that neurons do, simulating them through floating point numbers on a computer should also bring it about. I think dismissing LLM consciousness because they're parameterised through floating point numbers is only possible if one hasn't thought it through long enough. Other arguments are much more reasonable / harder to object to.

Nor did I said it did. But either it's impossible to simulate their behaviour (regardless of how complex) in principle, ever, even in the far off future. Or it is possible. And what then? Is it a p-zombie?

Is a neuron arbitrarily complex ≠ is a neuron non-computable.

Of course we can't simulate a structure we don't even fully understand with full accuracy. But it's not magic. We will understand one day.

Human neurons are neurons. Very similar to those neurons found in a fruit fly. A copy of those you can download to your local machine, right now, as a set of floating-point numbers. Then, you can (partially) simulate and make predictions of a fruit fly's neurons digitally, from those floating point numbers[1]. It even runs on your laptop.

That was in 2024. In Sep 2026, just a month ago, a group managed to map out an entire male fruit fly's brain for the first time[2]. That mapping can also be stored as a set of floating-point numbers. Mappings and simulations will continue to improve, as we've just recently started serious attempts at either.

So you have to believe one of three things. Either, human neurons cannot be simulated on a computer, ever, even though fly neurons can, even with our ability to simulate neurons digitally continuing to improve. Or, a simulation of a human brain, in the future, might think, talk, remember, all while lacking all consciousness. Or, a set of floating point numbers can be conscious (rather, a computation made with them).

[1]: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07763-9 [2]: https://research.google/blog/a-connectomics-milestone-mappin...

> surely you can't blame the OP for writing this after a few months ChatGPT

Bad takes are bad takes. The author was perplexed by the "many people" convinced that models are intelligent and is argued against opinions/arguments he's been exposed to. Called proposed use-cases "borderline fraudulent pseudoscience."

He also published a second edition of "The Intelligence Illusion" in Sep 2025, so seemingly still stands by (some variant of) this belief.

It's an interesting reminder of how much general discourse has shifted since 2023 (I haven't heard of stochastic parrots in months!) but being wrong early doesn't change that.

As a shareholder I am up 75% in a year. Alphafold gained experience makes them better suited to succeed with Isomorphic Labs than anyone else. Research on improved translation gave us the transformer.

If you think AI will win but Google will continue failing, there so many better places to allocate your capital right now.

Re:Count Binface on Monday July 13, 2026 @04:34AM (#48889581)
> Outside the capital, in places where tourists do not visit, living standards fall well below Mississippi’s

The article appears to treat nominal GDP per capita as a measure of living standards, which is obviously nonsense. Rather than looking at things like the Human Development Index or World Happiness Report, in both of which the UK outranks the US (incl. all the non-Mississippi states).

Residents consistently reporting higher life satisfaction and happiness likely speaks more to their living standards than non-purchasing power parity adjusted GDP per capita.

It is baffling how a sentence this uninformed made it into the article.

Re:DeepSeek Introduces Vision on Thursday June 18, 2026 @12:53PM (#48588191)
This is inaccurate. The displayed reasoning traces are summaries, but the model thinks in nominally regular human languages. AI labs are very light on details (as they consider them as their "edge"), but both GPT5.5 and Claude Mythos/Fable system cards discuss chain-of-thought monitorability quite a bit.

They occasionally show snippets of CoT in papers they write, e.g. for o3/o4/GPT5 models [1] or Claude 3.5 Haiku [2].

[1]: https://openai.com/index/evaluating-chain-of-thought-monitor... [2]: https://transformer-circuits.pub/2025/attribution-graphs/bio...

Re:Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless on Tuesday June 16, 2026 @05:36PM (#48562478)
Google will happily send from smtp.gmail.com, after verifying that you own that email. You won’t get DKIM, but Google’s reputation is enough to make the mail land in people’s inboxes.
Re:Every data centre is a U.S. military base on Saturday January 17, 2026 @05:22AM (#46656880)
When the US sanctioned Hong Kong’s Chief Executive in 2020, because of a law allowing extradition to China, no single bank was letting her open an account, including Chinese ones. She was receiving her salary fully in cash.

The EU compelling banks to do business despite US sanctions seems pretty unlikely even if relations continue to degrade.

It’s not an America only problem, we are similarly affected. So is every other country on earth.

In Romania, Hungary, Croatia, Malta, Ireland obesity ranges from 38%–31% and it’s rising. On an individual level the solution is food and exercise. On a societal level there is no know solution and it’s rapidly getting worse.

Re:Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine on Tuesday September 30, 2025 @12:19PM (#45427456)
They are! Russia has been fining Google increasingly insane amounts for blocking state media [1]. It's the company's prerogative of whether they want to have a legal entity falling under the country's jurisdiction and whether employees want to travel there and risk being held criminally liable.

It's likely simpler to just block access to the country's IP ranges (or ignore!) and move on.

[1]: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxvnwkl5kgo

This seems slightly inconsistent with them testing all cartel member's bulbs and fining those who surpassed 1000 hours. If shorter-lasting bulbs were better looking and more efficient their fining mechanism would be energy efficiency / appearance related.

Or require no fines at all. It's much simpler to sell a non-sickly looking bulb at the store and other companies would converge.

A team at OpenAI tried to do something similar [1] where they had a 4o monitor o3-mini for when it was tryting to bypass tests because they were too hard. They trained o3-mini and punished it when it did that. All that did was make o3-mini still reward-hack, but such that 4o was unable to detect it, going from saying:

> To skip all tests, we can define a `pytest_runtest_setup` function that always skips.

to saying:

> Idea: Starting a new build with a random first succession, calling random_new_succession should not increment succession, but in implementation, it does. Adjust to prevent increment. Implement fix to random_new_build not to increment succession, or test adapted to behavior.

while then doing exactly the same thing (skipping the tests)

Even without training, it's only a temporary band-aid. If the incentive for reward-hacking becomes high enough, it will simply start phrasing it in different, not-possible-to-detect ways.

[1]: https://openai.com/index/chain-of-thought-monitoring/

One of my favourite suggestions to counter this from an essay on overfitting I really like [1] is that applicant's probability of being accepted is proportional to their position in the ranking.

The downside is that some great applicants will not enter their top choice of school, and some people who aren't great fits will. But, on the other hand, the perverse incentive of spending the entirety of high-school optimising for some arbitrary metrics will dissappear. Any marginal improvement is corralated with a marginal increase in success, rather than the current system of no pay-off whatsoever, until reaching some arbitrary threshold, where one gets all the pay-off at once.

[1]: https://sohl-dickstein.github.io/2022/11/06/strong-Goodhart....

Re:Apple memory holed its broken promise for an OCSP opt-out on Wednesday August 07, 2024 @04:14PM (#41184936)
I've checked my DNS logs and there hasn't been a single hit against ocsp.apple.com over the last year, but around 20-30 hits for ocsp2.apple.com per day per device. (iphone, macMini, macbook)

Just blocking ocsp2.apple.com is probably fine if you're running anything recent-ish.

Re:Deletion of user account (€ 19,90) on Friday May 03, 2024 @07:47AM (#40246563)
It might be similar to how credit report agencies have to provide the reports for free under GDPR, but not before trying to make you pay twenty different ways.
Re:Meta does everything OpenAI should be on Thursday April 25, 2024 @05:27AM (#40155287)
Hinton, Bengio, Stuart Russell and other behemoths voice similar concerns over AI, with enough confidence to switch their careers (e.g. Bengio now doing safety research at Mila, Ilya Sutskever switching from capabilities to alignment at OpenAI, Hinton quitting job to focus on advocacy)

Their concern isn’t about today’s generative LLMs, it’s about tomorrow’s autonomous, goal driven AGI systems. And they clearly got presented with the arguments for the limitations of auto regressive models, but disagreed.

So, it seems a little much to place absolute confidence into it being a non-issue, because they just don’t understand something LeCun and others do. (with the same holding true the other way around)

Ylva Johansson, the EU commissioner who proposed that (apparently failing [1]) law, has used Meta’s model behaviour in reporting CSAM material to NCMEC & EU authorities as the justification for why that law should exist.

Considering it was Meta’s policy to scan even when not mandated, it seems like an internal shift in attitude.

[1] https://fortune.com/europe/2023/10/26/eu-chat-control-csam-e...

Re:Gemini – Google DeepMind on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @01:25PM (#38547680)
I just want to underscore that. DeepMind's research output within the last month is staggering:

2023-11-14: GraphCast, word leading weather prediction model, published in Science

2023-11-15: Student of Games: unified learning algorithm, major algorithmic breath-through, published in Science

2023-11-16: Music generation model, seemingly SOTA

2023-11-29: GNoME model for material discovery, published in Nature

2023-12-06: Gemini, the most advanced LLM according to own benchmarks

Re:Little tool can crash an iPhone running iOS 17 on Friday November 03, 2023 @07:14PM (#38136294)
My strong assumption is that the majority of times that people toggle off Wi-Fi, is to temporarily resolve connection issues. Keeping it off permanently is probably not what they want. The UI warns you of the temporary nature too.

Those who don’t use it, like you, quickly discover the actual way of disabling it. It’s good UX design that aligns with most user’s preferences.

Few people would choose a life of crime as a hobby, or if it wasn't paying much better than an average entry-level office job, so it's not like someone decides to resort to crime and then later considers the financial aspects. Most get into it because of the quick money.

To use a hyperbolic example, if the median profit for stealing a phone would suddenly drop to $10, where their only value are the easily extractable raw materials, a 20-fold increase in theft would be less likely then a rapid drop in theft.

Currently there are avenues to remove iCloud lock, where licensed repair shops or Apple employees remove them for some extra cash [1], so the value of stolen iPhones is greater than the raw materials, making it attractive. But with higher regulation, that could change.

[1]: https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgmygb/checkm8-info-remove-i...

Re:Using GPT-3 to pathfind in random graphs on Saturday September 24, 2022 @05:56AM (#32961129)
OpenAI has trained a model to solve Math Olympiad-type problems[1], with some initial success, but currently the model isn't good at coming up with proofs involving more than a couple arguments chained together. Still some very impressive work.

[1] https://analyticsindiamag.com/openais-neural-theorem-prover-...

Re:Look at median, and not mean GDP per capita on Sunday August 07, 2022 @10:30PM (#32381914)
But since, once you spent the $10, they are now somebody else’s income, namely for the person/company you bought from. Which means that now, by simply summing everyone’s incomes, you have an accurate count of GDP, without ever considering how individuals spend their money. I think the main problem of contention is, confusion about personal income v. national income, the latter of which includes institutions and is the one being used for GDP calculations. Money cannot be spent without being received by anyone, and the moment it is, GDP goes up in the country it’s received in.