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I mean, yeah, we are pretty trash without years of domain knowledge. But programmers do have a large domain. Some are experts at a/v, some security/networking, some like to make games/demos. These domains were highly accessible to us and still are. It's not like we solved coding exercises all day when we weren't leasing our souls to companies.
It is heartwarming to see how sarcasm turns into a celebration of mediocrity.
> Things not working the way I expect means I have to do more work to figure something out.
You must love SELinux
I don't think it was AI, I seem to remember that google broke search or SO SEO broke to the point where it wouldn't even point at the right SO article. There used to be a lot of commotion on the forums about how broken google search became for them.
This is why I always fail loud rather than pick a stupid default.
Are you really diving into technicals just by asking "sooo what did you do?" to your AI? Without document crawling, debugging and pulling your hair out, how much of it is really a deep dive? I feel like all that effort that goes into generating a mental image from bits and pieces is gone. I'm just grudgingly happy I went through all that before humanity retired.
Anthropic should make their own language, and openai should follow suit.
I agree with all of this, and gource is an excellent example, but this is still "what" and builds no case for a "why". Not even an anecdote like "I told the agent this and it completely misunderstood and did the other thing so I built this which you can use to undo the work after the fact."
I tell it to avoid belts and suspenders, don't leave dysfunctional code in, and fail loud. Seems to change that behavior.
I just tell it "you have until morning to work on this, be careful not to use too much ram and don't burn the cpu"
and then it goes off to do its thing and hopefully rngesus is with us.
I've been using both codex and claude for the past month and if anthropic acted up like that I'd switch fully to codex in a heartbeat.
Looking back, I wonder what really changed over 25 years for the linux ecosystem. We had lots of distros, there were games built for linux (I remember playing the entire Neverwinter nights on debian) there was wine for StarCraft broodwars, x11+compiz for cool accelerated desktop graphics, proprietary Nvidia drivers were always there. Sure, everything was 32bit but it was good enough for desktop, and amd64 was about to pop.
The other day I tried to install fedora 44 on a friend's computer. He wanted kde so we set that up and whoops, no way to start programs on the discrete video card. I hacked around it by starting xorg, setting an alias and environment variables, but it was a bit embarrassing to see that things have regressed.
I'm not going to downplay it. I've been coding since the 80s and using these models since 2023. 10 minutes after using fable I told my colleague this is a new era. It is the difference between sonnet and opus. I didn't think this was possible.
It was over before this announcement. After a couple of days, even though the model was set to fable, it felt like opus. We are back to sticks and stones.
Sometimes it is ok to sit there in confusion and ask the user to clarify rather than go on an adhd fueled rampage to figure it out without asking.
What do you mean by water fasting? Do you avoid drinking water directly, or do you avoid all food? For example salads are basically sacks of water.
I also run a Qwen 3.6 moe A4B on old hardware. I set it up with
numactl --membind=1
so it is constrained to one of the memory sticks which speeds up token generation a little.
Learning some schmuck's framework, IDE, language or OS never felt rewarding to me. It was always like playing with broken toys. Hear me out.
There was always some subtle quirk, a bug that irks me once every so often, something I'd never want to unleash upon masses and although these people made their work available through various channels, paid or unpaid, for some reason I felt more of a grudge than gratitude.
And I tried to fix things I did. It was a breathless, thankless exercise of working through someone else's code line by line for decades while hardly being able to lift my head because of actual work I had to do to support my life. And thus a villain was born.
I am so glad it is over. It is all ingested into neural network weights and high-pressure sprayed to the masses through RNG. I am finally free. I don't have to learn your stupid aws commands, your helm configs, your systemd antics, your http api. I don't have to care about your life times, your gc params. I tell the computer and it clinks and clanks and eventually gets the job done like gene rodenberry intended.
To be fair, nowhere on the frontpage does it say it can build libraries that depend on node. It seems like you are just waiting in the bushes to dis AI assisted coding.
And it was so much better/more stable than Borland C++6!
Open/close 15-30 files or mistype a path and borland gave you the good old crash. You had to handle that IDE with extreme care. You'd develop a feeling for its quirks and sometimes it would work for hours without crashing.
I loved react in 2013 when it had the life cycle methods. Everything was deterministic, I knew what caused what where and when. Now every framework is a mess and I'm glad I won't have to learn anyone's crap anymore thanks to random code generators.
---- Before it was:
Me: We need to do this this that.
Claude: <random stuff that approximates human outout>
Me: Are you sure?
Claude: Well actually there is a bug <more random stuff that looks right this time>
----- Now it is:
Me: We need to do this this that.
Claude: <random stuff that approximates human outout>
Claude: Let me consult the advisor on that.
Claude: advisor came up with some advice, adjusting according to that. <more random stuff that looks right this time>
Because every developer asking for permission 3,800 times is exhausting for everyone.
Feels like 7/2025 claude. Nowadays it doesn't do that very often, only when you get it into a happy-go-lucky mode.
The demand for cushy white collar desk jobs (which weren't around 30 years ago) is crashing. Rest of the world, not so much.
There are more points of view than that on HN.
A common one:
"I have stopped writing code, the world is going to end"
Another:
"I will code by hand, I don't care"
Another:
"I use it as a tool, but the hype bothers me so much that I have to bitch and moan from morning to night"
This one is:
"I have stopped writing code, it wasn't the end of the world."
Find the best LLM for your local hardware.
lifts mask
It's qwen.
I think anthropic gave ample warnings. I set up periodic backups and I wouldn't hold them accountable because they basically serve good RNG.
I had a trust issue up to opus 4.6
Now I have claude hooked up to a dozen projects I used to maintain manually. It is such a pleasure watch it read the complaint and go to town on small problems without dropping any databases or removing home dirs.
My phone's screen died the same way. Thank god I had adb set up for claude to use.