neuralsp

Yes, now you're addressing my line of questions.

>But pure fraud? If you didn't even make an attempt to learn on the job? You'd get caught pretty fast as soon as someone started asking any kind of in depth questions about the models you were supposed to be training.

That's just what I mean. It would depend on someone asking you about it, right? (As opposed to being an iOS or Android developer or running microservices on the backend: in those domains nobody has to ask you anything, it's instantly obvious if you're not building and can't build anything.)

For machine learning, who is asking these questions?

If you throw data into a black box (3 lines of code) and are incompetent, can you please tell me a bit more about where you would get found out?

Let's use your example, ecology.

I show up, I get a dataset, and I put it into tensorflow using three lines of code I copy from stackoverflow.

I lie and bullshit about the details of what I'm doing, by referencing papers from arxiv.org that I don't read, understand, or actually apply. It's just the same 3 lines of code I copied on day 1. I don't do anything on the job.

How long could I last? An hour? A day? A week? A month?

Assuming I am outputting 0 useful work. I'm not doing any machine learning. Just 0 competence, or I make something up by hand or in excel.

I am trying to understand how people are judged.

My question is whether someone could fake it and not be caught/fired. (So yes, I meant: "Or work in some random domain?")

From the second half of your comment it seems that the answer is yes?

Maybe a comparison would help: someone pretending to be an experienced iOS/Android developer without any qualifications or ability would quickly be caught. Since they couldn't produce any working app or use a compiler, and anyone can judge an app for themselves. You can't really just make it up out of whole cloth, people judge the results. You would have to start actually doing that, and if you couldn't or didn't want to, then unless you outsourced your own job or something the jig would be up pretty much instantly. (Unless you caught up.)

So, how about machine learning? Do you think a fraud could land and keep such a job, without any knowledge, qualifications, ability, or even interest in getting up to speed? Just, a pure, simple fraud.

What's your guess?

>I did a PhD in space science, I now do machine learning in ecology and spent the summer working on machine learning for disaster management.

Do you think it is possible to that without any background in anything? I mean could someone apply black box frameworks without understanding them. How would they be caught?