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This assumes that everyone over the age of 30 has children or wishes to have some. Of course if you are really intent on starting a family you're going to have to sacrifice your free time and social life. It's a choice many people make but it's not mandatory.

>People who go to church have values", doesn't mean "People who don't go to church don't have values"

They said "people who have values go to church", which isn't the same statement. It's equivalent to "people who don't go to church don't have values". A -> B is equivalent to non-B -> non-A and so on.

>To your original point about drugs helping you make friends, I'd argue that you're making friends because 1. It's a shared experience, and 2. It's taboo, which forces extra trust between you and everyone who joins. Not so much as an effect of the drugs themselves.

We are in agreement there. The community aspect is paramount.

>It's not like you can just post "Going to a rave and doing shrooms" as a meetup event online

You absolutely can. Hell, I've been to plenty of those. (Of course they won't explicitly mention the drugs but given the clandestine or ephemeral setting and the kind of music you know what to expect.)

>nor can you invite your wife and kids to go camping and do LSD

Okay I admit I chuckled. Note that many festivals or similar events have whole families attending, complete with spouse and kids. Presumably the parents take care of the kids and don't give them acid but that doesn't prevent the friendmaking with fellow festival goers.

>so your suggestion is not very helpful for the kinds of people here who would be having a hard time making friends in their adulthood.

Most ravers are in their adulthood. Raves have been a thing for 30+ years, some of the early adopters are old enough to have grandkids.

>People with values and responsibilities tend to make friends in places like churches

What? Are you implying that people with values and responsibilities can't be atheist or irreligious? How about people who don't go to church due to not living in a country as religious as the land of the free, do they lack values or responsibilities? Also how does that relate to my previous post? I just don't understand your post at all.

You use drugs everyday when you smoke, drink alcohol or coffee. It's not really about the substance itself (which you may choose to take small to moderate amounts if you don't want to sustain a habit) but the personalities of people you meet there and the bonding over shared sensations. In other words, it's easier to befriend the kind of people who trip and rave than the kind of people 'values' and 'responsibilities' forbid them from doing so.

This. Adding to that, drugs do help accelerate the whole 'friendship' process a lot.