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"Like most languages, Python has the concept of private elements:"

http://diveintopython.org/object_oriented_framework/private_...

Does that count for encapsulation?

That article is full of it. It essentially wants to agitate a lynch mob against the messenger, implying a conspiracy by Rémi and his current employer, without a clue about FSF's role in the incident, while disregarding any responsibility of Apple to provide its paying customers access to the software they want, by the terms they can get it.

The copyright infringement notice is not targeted to the group that created the iOS version of VLC, and their project is not being shut down. There is nothing that prevents those people developing that application and distributing it via any channel they choose, as far as that distribution channel complies with terms of GPL.

Why is it so hard to see that it is Apple which prevents having such distribution channels?

I am amazed how these people assume all the liability, support and freedom from the FOSS developers, who work without compensation, while happily accepting all the restrictions from their vendor, who they pay dearly.

How is it that I see talk about "how much I hate GPL" and "how GPL is bad for businesses/community/users/whatsoever", when an alternative of having these pieces of software distributed with GPL license is to not have them at all? The author of the software chose the license for a purpose. Without the license, choosing of which the creator has no obligations from the users whatsoever, the users will not have the software at their disposal at all.

Instead of groups of whiny self-entitled users and lynch mobs, we need people who are willing to work against restrictions imposed by businesses, and users who see themselves as members of a community and not just as consumers of others' free work.

That said, I think non-copyleft licenses like BSD are just fine. But at the end, it is the authors' privilege to choose whichever license they find suitable.

(I can only wonder what in my comments has been inappropriate enough to justify the downvotes. Simply disagreeing on a civilized opinion shouldn't prompt censors to act.)

If a distribution site requires to accept a contract between the distributor and the downloader regarding the usage of the downloaded programs, it is not equal to an FTP site which merely puts programs available.

I don't understand how Apple's position as an OS vendor affects the situation, if the question is about distribution. I would really enjoy a thorough explanation about it, if there is one, since to me it does not make any sense.

If there is no conflict (any more) between Apple's terms of usage for downloaded apps and GPL, then it all boils down to Apple's decision to remove the application without reason (other than an invalidated claim of copyright infringement). In that case, all the other GPL'ed software could be returned to distribution.

I can imagine that even Apple's own personnel has hard time following all the changes in their own terms and their implications of cases like this, and that's why it would be the best if Apple simply lifted the restrictions of their platform.

Is applying for a developer license from Apple really trivial? Is it not possible for Apple to simply not grant the license if they, for example, wish to deprecate a platform?

Do you have, or know a text that provides a proper explanation of 'GPL cannot impose restrictions on third parties', as the license (v2 as in the subject) clearly says:

6. Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the Program), the recipient automatically receives a license from the original licensor to copy, distribute or modify the Program subject to these terms and conditions. You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein. You are not responsible for enforcing compliance by third parties to this License.

What counters the statement "You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein"?

Edit: formatting of the cited paragraph.

With all respect, IMO paying 99 dollars a year, getting a developer license and re-signing the application yourself is far from 'trivial'.

That aside, for me it is hard to see how Apple would not be the first-hand distributor for apps in its app store, as it clearly wants to control all distribution from the beginning to the end.

By loosening their stance on this (allowing easy installation of applications by other means) they would position themselves quite differently.

The users would be allowed to load the app, that is not the issue.

The distributor (Apple) is not allowed to impose further restrictions upon GPL'ed software. Surely the users are ultimately the losers, but that is not fault of the creators of the software, but of the distributor (Apple) who likes to keep a stranglehold over its users.

A simple lift on the terms of usage for Apple's service would resolve the issue trivially, even effortlessly. Why do not Apple's customers ask their vendor why this can't be done?

Alternatively, if there was any other way to (trivially, e.g. without jailbreaking) get the application into the device there would not be a problem at all.

IMHO, the FOSS ecosystem built on GPL cannot tolerate and sustain violations towards the license without eroding the meaning of the license. This is the issue of principle, and that is why it makes perfectly sense to stick to the license.

The true irony of the case is in that Apple's customers - even those who know about such great products of the free software ecosystem as VLC - willingly submit to the restrictions of Apple's platform and are surprised not to enjoy the same freedom as those who choose otherwise.

Edit: It seems that the distribution issue has actually been resolved, and the problem has shifted to other GPL-uncompliant restrictions, and ultimately to Apple's own decision to withdraw the app, without discussion.

What is ironic or hypocritical about it? There are general licenses which provide more freedom to the users (including limiting freedom of others in derivative works, which might be ironic in somebody's eyes), and this software uses a license which prohibits limiting distribution related freedoms (among others) because its authors wanted it that way. It is not ironic or hypocritical, it is only being consistent with the choice. (Do you mean that using GPL in the first place is ironic or hypocritical in some way?)

If you choose a license and don't follow it, what is the point of using that license?

By using GPL, you deliberately give a piece of software a life of its own. Because of the license, the action taken is not merely the author's decision, but something anyone can do, even if the author didn't wish for it (although it is only natural that the author is the first one to pursue compliance with the license he chose.)

This is not a bad thing for GPL'ed software. Instead, it is exactly what is (or at least should be) expected from using GPL. As said, there are also other licenses to use. If your expectations are different, use different license and don't submit to a license you find inadequate.

The article only considers public companies. Are they missing some?

I believe you mean "Maemo 6", i.e. what Harmattan would have been if there was no MeeGo.

Latest MeeGo release is 1.1 for handsets, netbooks and in-vehicle infotainment systems, each with their own "user experience" layer on top. The handset UX in 1.1 is for developers to have a peek on the new direction. 1.2 is coming up in a couple of months.

MeeGo distribution will be RPM based; that is inherited from Moblin. That shouldn't change anything substantial. The kernel and other guts are still all true Linux goodness.