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You are a HN user. Saying “HN users have enacted physical violence” and implying it is all of them is just utter bs.
From the average person's perspective, who is neither a Fascist/Nazi/Far-Right Extremist nor Antifa/Far-Left/wte - nobody cares about your violence Olympics, the fact that your opponent tribe claims the Gold medal while yours claims Silver or Bronze, is completely irrelevant to us. And the particular problem is that everybody is aware of the danger of the one tribe, but then there are people like you who dismiss, normalize and whitewash the excesses of yours just because "the other guy is worse".
I hope you have a good day.
Who said that? To pre-emptively respond before you misrepresent my position again, nobody said that the solution to people making bad decisions is condemnation. But when you go out all guns blazing and blaming everyone else (the system) - like the author of this blog post is doing - at least be prepared to receive some pushback.
> You've had the opportunity to actually take accountability and correct your bad decisions no?
Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
> What gave you that opportunity?
Sometimes luck, sometimes good risk mitigation, other times a mix of both.
Mind you, I'm not claiming all misfortune can be overcome, you might be struck by lighting tomorrow and there was nothing you could have done about it. But there are cases that some sacrifices (either financial or lifestyle) can lead to statistically better chances of overcoming hardship. If you haven't made any and hardship hits you then its unfair to make demands of the people that have made those sacrifices, that's all.
> And if society is not meant to help people when they're down, what's it for?
Identity & meaning, voluntary co-operation, exchange of goods and services. Protection against misfortune could be one of the components of a useful society, while you said "What's the point of society if not being a buffer for bad individual decisions?" which directly implies that someone cannot find any other point to society if it's lacking this property.
> You still haven't given your take despite calling everyone else out on theirs.
Why do you believe that everyone else has the same position as you do?
Moreover, why do you think that what I said has anything to do with your position? I only called out as a psychopath anyone who believes they are entitled to somebody else's labour - do you actually believe that yourself or do you consider that particular belief as a logical extension of your position? If the latter, please logically demonstrate and if convinced by your reasoning I'll apologize.
Then I called your view of society selfish (not you a selfish person as a whole), why do you tink everyone else believes the sole point of society is a buffer for bad decisions? I haven't seen anyone on this topic claiming this except you.
Are you having trouble with reading comprehension? Jesus.
My family until my parents generation were dirt poor in one of those countries you would also call piss poor.
e.g my grandmother had a brother who their brain stopped developing at a very young age (afaik 5), the parents ensured and my grandmother ensured that my uncle lived a full (but sadly difficult) life living and been taken care of by them and then my grandma after they passed.
Somebody will have to endure cruelty when someone makes bad decisions. The question is whether the cruelty will be received by the person making the bad decision or somebody else.
> It's rarely "you are making a bad decision right now so you should stop that before you deserve cruelty in the future".
So it's the economic system's fault that you weren't stopped before making a bad decision? It's the economic system's fault that schools teach gender theory instead of personal finance, economics and rational decision making?
For someone who has been born disabled, the conversation should be moved to the people who brought them to life and are responsible for their survival.
Moreover, morality is not objective, therefore anyone can claim that any particular law is against their morality and think it's justified to break it.