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Re:Show HN: DB-GPT, an LLM tool for database on Friday May 26, 2023 @05:27PM (#36089713)
"ChatGPT" is a distinctive brand name for OpenAI's particular chatbot system that is based on GPT technology.

However, "GPT" itself is a type of technology (albeit one that was invented by OpenAI). It involves much more than just ChatGPT...even if we just look at OpenAI's own other offerings (e.g. GPT-1, GPT-2, Dall-E, etc.).

The "GP" (generative pretraining) has been a concept in machine learning for many years. The "T" (transformer architecture) was invented in 2017. Thus, the issue for the USPTO will be whether or not combining the "GP" with the "T" is too descriptive or even inherently generic to be "distinctive" to OpenAI.

Sometimes, general terms can become trademarks, by becoming "distinctive" to one company. Microsoft was able to do it with "Windows" (in the field of software, of course). And "booking.com" was able to trademark the word "booking" (for reservation services) in certain contexts. The issue will be whether OpenAI can successfully make the case that they've achieved something similar for the term "GPT" itself. I really remain doubtful of that, given the term's frequent usage as being a type of LLM and a general framework for generative AI.

All that said, I suppose we'll all know for sure soon enough...when the USPTO decides.

Re:OpenAI came after our domain because we use GPT in it on Thursday May 18, 2023 @08:18PM (#35996193)
I think "ChatGPT" is distinctive to their specific product, but not just "GPT" in general.
Re:OpenAI came after our domain because we use GPT in it on Thursday May 18, 2023 @08:17PM (#35996185)
I think "ChatGPT" is distinctive to their specific product, but not just "GPT" in general.
Re:OpenAI came after our domain because we use GPT in it on Thursday May 18, 2023 @08:12PM (#35996136)
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_aUoGH...

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/inno/stories/news/2...

**From the article:

"...the actual phrase GPT, standing for generative pre-trained transformer, is a broad term describing the AI technology. The term was first introduced in 2018 in a research paper published by OpenAI, but has since been used to describe any AI model that meet certain criteria.

This broad use could cause problems for OpenAI as the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office says it can refuse to trademark a term that is 'merely descriptive.'"

Re:OpenAI came after our domain because we use GPT in it on Thursday May 18, 2023 @08:10PM (#35996120)
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_aUoGH...

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/inno/stories/news/2...

**From the article:

"...the actual phrase GPT, standing for generative pre-trained transformer, is a broad term describing the AI technology. The term was first introduced in 2018 in a research paper published by OpenAI, but has since been used to describe any AI model that meet certain criteria.

This broad use could cause problems for OpenAI as the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office says it can refuse to trademark a term that is 'merely descriptive.'"

Re:OpenAI came after our domain because we use GPT in it on Thursday May 18, 2023 @08:10PM (#35996116)
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_aUoGH...

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/inno/stories/news/2...

**From the article:

"...the actual phrase GPT, standing for generative pre-trained transformer, is a broad term describing the AI technology. The term was first introduced in 2018 in a research paper published by OpenAI, but has since been used to describe any AI model that meet certain criteria.

This broad use could cause problems for OpenAI as the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office says it can refuse to trademark a term that is 'merely descriptive.'"

Re:OpenAI applied for having “GPT” as a trademark on Sunday May 07, 2023 @05:03PM (#35855573)
I think they're unlikely to get it approved: https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=763049f7-7ef8...
That's actually not how it works; if somebody has a trademark, then using it can potentially be an issue even if you add something else to it...but, whether or not that's even an issue in this case is another matter (see above).
Regarding specifically the application you mentioned for a trademark registration:

I doubt that their application seeking to trademark "GPT" will be approved. Maybe they'll get it for "ChatGPT" or other more specific products, but probably not just "GPT" by itself...

To be able to register a trademark in the U.S., the applicant has to show that the proposed trademark is in fact "distinctive" of their company. The more generic a term is in its field, whether to begin with (i.e., by not becoming distinctive in the first place...), or over time (i.e., by failing to maintain its distinctiveness), the less likely it is to be registerable. And, such "distinctiveness" is notably harder to achieve and/or maintain for terms that are more generic/descriptive rather than truly unique…

In the case of "GPT," in the context of software/AI, those letters -- particularly in that combination -- are understood to stand for things that refer to a kind language model having certain characteristics. OpenAI pioneered the technology, but they don't have a monopoly on it...

Agreed. I doubt that OpenAI's recent application seeking to trademark "GPT" will be approved. Maybe specific models/products, but not just "GPT" by itself...

To be able to register a trademark in the U.S., the applicant has to show that the proposed trademark is in fact "distinctive" of their company. The more generic a term is in its field, whether to begin with (i.e., by not becoming distinctive in the first place...), or over time (i.e., by failing to maintain its distinctiveness), the less likely it is to be registerable. And, such "distinctiveness" is notably harder to achieve and/or maintain for terms that are more generic/descriptive rather than truly unique…

In the case of "GPT," in the context of software (specifically A.I.), those letters -- particularly in that combination -- are understood to stand for things that refer to a kind of A.I. language model having certain characteristics, even though OpenAI was first to produce a (g)enerative (p)retrained (t)ransformer and they're still the most notable provider of such technologies.