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because, obviously, summing all the values is something you couldnt do yourself?

you dont need to get the key, you just need to decrypt the data.

they do not need to be one in the same, if, statistically you can infer input given output.

And i never said sure in any way shape or form. what i said is i am skeptical of the motivations driving a project like this, when we know for an absolute fact bad men are trying to steal our secrets. It seems like a lot of work and very heavy math for something that will never tip the balance that is holding the cloud back with people not trusting it to keep their secrets.

for example, if you can do something as simple as compute a hash of the unencrypted data, you can instantly decrypt all data with known hashes with a high degree of certainty, without ever knowing the keys - side channel attack.

aside from aes and its varients, which of the other thousands of crypto systems arent vulnerable to it?

so whats the "cloud-keyset " then?

the "side channel" i am referring to is in however this impliments this mixing you refer to.

if you can observe how the internal state is changing given a cloud keyset you should be able to infer the secret key. in the same way you can infer the iv used in a mesernine twister from like 27 cycles (or whatever).

downvotes and promises definately wont reduce my skeptacism.

for example?

because the simple fact you can process the data and examine the output reveals untold quantities of information about the key.

the known plaintext attack breaks pretty much every crypto system, mix that with statistical analysis of this "processing" and I'm sure whatever is in the cloud will surrender its secrets pretty quick.

And all that risk for what benefit? none of this processing will ever be faster than doing the processing in place.

have to say, i'm extremely skeptical of homomorphic encryption.

it just screams side channel attacks.

so skeptical i dont have the energy to find them, better to wait until something with monetary value is cruising around the internet using it.

By design.

People will oppose/support whatever they are told to as a general rule.

if facts mattered, we would never of had a majority of people supporting the dropping of white phosphorus on the kids of Iraq (at the time)

It wasnt that long ago people were being told wind and solar "would never be green" due to the manufacturing costs.

But none of that changes the basic question. how would you balance the over design v speed trade off. Especially when every change to the initial design adds a few mill $'s to the bill.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/climate/nuclear-power-pro...

From what ive read about nuclear technology, the reason the west has big non salt reactors is that they wanted them for making nuclear bombs. providing energy was a by product of making nuclear weapons.

That also accounts for much of the delays, they are using the tech for so many naughty things they need to wait for staff turnover on the project so no one knows too much about what they are doing.

So while I agree we need to "open the discussion up", I dont believe that discussion will be allowed because of the war politics involved.

How would you balance the two? From my experience "most" industry is ~10-20 years behind research. That's how long it takes to work out the kinks, be that mobile phones, cloud computing or AI. So while the US and Europe mess around spending stupid money on ITER the Chinese will be rolling out molton salt reactors leaving the west behind, and that 'sucks'. But these are big projects, running them like a Turkish ticket website would be a catastrophe. How exactly would do you re-balance the checks and balances?

and when no one can do what they please you know you live in America.

Now, get back to flipping bits.

depends if their mom and pop sent them to work the fields. There's many such communities throughout the world. Some even keep real slaves. (particularily in Saudi Arabia)

Most of society (and the wage slave concept) is about human farming.

would you say you are a farmer or livestock?

i really really hope all you lot complaining you got burned are the same people who downvoted my previous account out of existence when i said you would get burned 12 months ago or so.

Sadly I reckon it was more likely the people who burned you who were doing the down voting.

meanwhile, the servers i bought have now more than paid for themselves many times over and our operating costs have fallen to nearly zero.

Feeling vindicated.