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>though they view that they should be the only user of cgroups

And they're absolutely correct. There can only be one cgroups manager on the system. cgmanager isn't finished, either.

>As an example, Gnome now uses parts of systemd for session management (replacing consoleskit, and others). While there are workarounds, this means no one can really use any other init system besides systemd, or things won't work correctly.

Gnome requires logind, which is the successor to consolekit. Gnome has repeatedly stated that they're willing to work with the BSDs et al with workarounds. You can either use the old logind, which doesn't require systemd as PID1 (due to cgroups management changes) or you can develop your own replacement to logind, one that doesn't require systemd as PID1.

People criticize these decisions, but they have no suggestions on how to fix it and, for the most part, they have no inkling of why there's a requirement.

>trick question, you cannot

  [Unit]
  Description=The Apache HTTP Server
  After=remote-fs.target nss-lookup.target
  [Service]
  Type=notify
  EnvironmentFile=/etc/sysconfig/httpd
  ExecStart=/usr/sbin/httpd $OPTIONS -DFOREGROUND
  ExecReload=/usr/sbin/httpd $OPTIONS -k graceful
  ExecStop=/usr/sbin/httpd $OPTIONS -k graceful-stop
  KillSignal=SIGCONT
  PrivateTmp=true
  [Install]
  WantedBy=multi-user.target

and 'apachectl configtest' or 'nginx -t' iirc

>Optional, but enabled by default

Where is it enabled by default? In what distro does gatewayd get pulled in by default?

>No one is saying udev pulls in systemd as a dependency.

By the eudev hobbyists, whose justification for their fork was largely "we don't want to force people to use systemd" and "no, we didn't contact upstream with fixes before we forked" in their presentation.

>Oh, an embedded HTTP server is loaded to read them. QR codes are served, as well.

And outright falsehoods. systemd-journald-gatewayd is entirely optional. People keep harping on a packaging mistake when it was first pushed to Fedora for testing, but repeating it so many times doesn't make it true.

>In fact, udev merged with systemd a long time ago

systemd relies on udev and dbus, but udev doesn't pull in systemd as a hard dependency: another falsehood I've seen parroted by those in support of the eudev fork.