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I have a hard time seeing how any other white-collar job can be as worried as software development. No other industry has the straight up replacement of their work, at a level, quality, and speed, that AI coding is. AI agents are literally better (when you factor time) than even some of the best developers I've known in my career. It's over.

> it's a mistake. Nihilism is a dead end (or political cynicism/fatalism, whatever you want to call it).

As someone deep in nihilism and political cynicism, I can concur, this is no real solution.

The problem is I don't believe leaning into that world is a solution either, and anyone who says otherwise, sounds like my boomer parents who have Fox news streaming on their 80" TV that they update every year, in their 4500 sqft home.

I mean this genuinely and not to stoke a fire, comments advocating for leaning into the political world really feel naive and perhaps generational. Most younger people have a damn near impossible time feeling anything other than dread and sadness when thinking about the state of politics.

I'd love to have a genuine reason to be hopeful, but regardless of which party you believe in, it feels like we're all circling the drain here.

Can you expand on what "living a fulfilling life" is for you?

Your post really resonates with me, but the rub is (at least for me) "living a fulfilling life" means other trade offs, and potential losses.

Maybe fulfilling to me is something that doesn't fit nicely in the box of traditional society... am I ready to give all that up?

Which btw is very similar to Lorpi

Agreed. I think coding agents have shown us one very important thing: It was never about the code.

Your idea and how well you can execute on it, i.e. how well you understand the problem space, is what has always mattered.

Coding being so easy now has just pulled back the curtain and shown the world that software developers really don't have much left to contribute. It's been done, a thousandfold.

I don't know why this is getting downvoted. It's completely obviously that this is a 100% vibe coded slop project which is already supported with out of the box tools. There was, and is, almost zero need for this.

Yea. The people making these things are vibe coding them out the door before even doing the smallest little bit of market research. It's lunacy.

Seriously. Who gets suckered into this hype? I find the default MacOS terminal to be plenty. Start a new tab, start claude, rinse & repeat.

I don't get it. ChatGPT's Codex app allows you to use your machine, when its locked. It has full computer use, can code, open browsers, apps, etc. Why would we need a separate app for this?

You're right, I was being hyperbolic. Bugginess in software is a spectrum, and asking why we're not further along that spectrum toward being bug free, is really what the OP is asking. My answer still applies.

For the same reason that increasing headcount never really solved the bug problem.

Flawless software isn't the goal, ever. Feature development is almost always the primary goal, and fixing bugs and performance issues is only done if the bug is bad enough.

classic apple

We're in a similar boat. Entire eng team went full AI about a year ago, and honestly we're struggling to find things to do. Features that would take weeks, take minutes.

I just don't see how we keep going like this without layoffs. The company cannot responsibly continue paying for this many engineers, when half, or less, could do the same job.

Honest question for devs out there... is anyone worried? I don't see enough frank conversation happening around this subject. Timelines. How long until salaries fall? Is it too early to stalk thinking about back up plans? Am I crazy?

pretty fun! beat level 6 after about 4 minutes... should add some more levels :)

"at all" is probably a stretch, but agreed that the number one factor for a mile is cost. users will accept a surprising level of trash, if the price is cheap.

engineers tend to think as engineers do, solving all problems with features, quality improvements, etc. but those all drive costs up, and don't always provide the return we think they will.

> If you have people somewhere, you provide them toilets or you get shit on the ground.

I have no idea if you've traveled much, but this has not been my experience traveling throughout major cities in Europe.

There's often NOT public bathrooms ANYWHERE yet streets are much cleaner than somewhere like San Francisco, where there actually are some public bathrooms.

was totally unaware of any racism of fascism from him... thats surprising.

whats your gripe with DHH? Honest question.

> ignoring the initially terrible Codex app

Still needs a LOT of work IMO.

could you throw a react project (WEB) at it and get a native macos project out of it?

This. I swear the fear mongering is all about investor signaling and regulatory capture. It's so disgusting that anyone believes it.

The only good news is that these models are genuinely helpful and we have competition at least between 2 companies.

I guess I understand why we'd want to flatten a COVID curve, but why do people want to flatten the LLM development curve? Don't we want the opposite? Isn't the goal AGI?

What exactly is "paced" in this context?

I don't think you really are struggling to understand, you just don't agree.

Some people genuinely enjoy the process of thinking hard about a problem and writing the code that solves it.

Literally the entire "flow" of coding has changed. It's now about parallel agent management and testing, less about any actual writing of code. Even thinking hard about problems has been reduced due to how insanely good AI has gotten.

Even better point. Thank you!

good point

Absolutely terrible. As human beings, we should be prioritizing solving these kinds of problems. I don't think we need to live forever, but a graceful ending later in life remains an objective we haven't fully realized for everyone.

Yup, I understand. And through a very narrow definition of economics it makes sense. I just don't see the utility in viewing it this way.

You've returned one of the most valuable resources (time) back to a human. In my mind there's simply nothing more valuable, and no sign of of efficiency more poignant than that.

Everything is ultimately a chosen definition, nothing is "real". I'd argue the definition is antiquated. In the modern world, free time being returned to individuals is perhaps one of the greatest examples of wealth.