irisgrunn
Height is based on genetics, not puberty (again, see the paper I linked)
Vocal changes aren't affected at all, they will change as soon as an Testosterone based puberty is started. This is why trans man have low voices too.
What's dubious about that peer reviewed study ?
Who's talking about males? Trans woman on HRT are not male, all biological processes in their bodies change because off the hormones
Not really, for more information about that read the study I posted.
> Whether and under what circumstances trans women have no advantage over cos women is a highly complex question.
Again, not really, except for all the misinformation online. If trans woman have such an high advantage, why haven't they dominated the Olympics for the last 20 years?
> We already have men who freely admitted to claiming to be trans solely for the purpose of accessing women’s locker rooms.
So? This happened maybe once or twice in the entire world, where pretending to be a janitor is something that's being done in every spy movie. Should we also ban janitors?
Next to this there's also risk of those kids committing suicide because they can't get proper treatment, which is only getting worse with all the anti-trans laws. See https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-024-01979-5.epdf
Just scroll down, no paywall.
> The point is about the objective fact of what the kids want. Your moral judgement of what should be done as a result, is irrelevant to that.
This has nothing to do with my moral judgment. If a kid gets diagnosed with gender-dysphoria, they should get proper treatment. Social transition in combination with puberty blockers are the known effective treatment.
Not sure about the US, but here gender-dysphoria in children has to be diagnosed by a team of professionals that aren't allowed to steer them in any way.
I'd start with chapter 5.2.1.7 go from there.
> but this too is a complex topic (see e.g. https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/09/08/acc-entry-should-trans... ).
You can either force a trans kid to develop the wrong kind of secondary sex characteristics. With all trauma and painful corrective procedures that will follow later in life, or you can let them take a pill a day which will halt it until they're old enough to make that decision. That really doesn't seem difficult to me.
> Also, the link you're responding to isn't a "study", but rather a position document from the NHS
I know but it's still based on the cass report, which claims to be a study.
And this one says the same: https://academic.oup.com/jsm/article/20/3/398/7005631
And then there's article from Yale that actually disproves the cass report where the NHS guidelines are based on: https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/documents/integrity...
> I have nothing against trans people, but many people draw the line when it comes to kids.
Except when those children happen to be trans, that case they're not allowed to exist or be mutilated for life, even though it's easily preventable
Wait what?
> Like allowing minors access to irreversible treatments.
According to the standards of care, minors should only get puberty blocker, which are totally reversible. A new study been released a few weeks ago, actually based on facts: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0929693X2...
> Like women’s sports. Well, when a trans woman is on HRT for a few years, she has a muscle mass that's been totally grown under estrogen. This causes a of muscle atrophy and a massive drop in strength. That's why trans woman have been allowed to compete with cis woman for the last 25 years.
> Like the safety of women only spaces.
How's that even remotely relevant to transgender people? Are you really calling all trans woman perverts or simply afraid that men pretend to be trans? Because it's a lot easier to pretend to be a janitor.
However impressive LLMs are, they're not AGI.
For example this morning even, I was working together with a coworker and he used ChatGPT to ask for some examples. Unfortunately they didn't work, after reading the actual documentation it turned out that the structure had to be slightly different.
This is the impression I get from everything that has been generated with "AI", on the face it looks great, but as soon as you start going into detail it's not right or just plainly wrong. The generated code had six fingers. They might be able to improve this eventually but I don't think it will ever be fixed because of the nature of LLMs.
The zinc gutter had leaked for probably decades and it destroyed part of the roof structure. The roof was held up by the wooden paneling the used to cover it on the inside (70s). So the wooden paneling was actually load bearing
Actually I've found way more stuff in this house. For example at the end of the roof the tiles weren't wide enough and instead of buying extra roofing tiles, they decided to fill it with cement and pieces of ceramic flower pots.