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Re:How Can a Star Be Older Than the Universe? on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @06:29PM (#21276703)
That's great, but The Big Bang is more or less chasing a status as the canonical answer to an intensely desirable question.

It wants to be the answer, yet the facts don't really align with the premise of the question. We just shoe horn a litter of observations into some post-hoc rationale for how the universe "began" and then we retcon anything that doesn't make sense, when we think more deeply about it.

It's fine to have cosmic background radiation, and elemental distributions and ratios, and sure that all kind of lines up, pointing to some large, highly influential event in the past.

But just because we can chart certain facts doesn't mean the story stops where our charts end.

I'll concede that something really important happened 13-ish billion years ago, and that it represents a significant temporal horizon, beyond which we cannot draw conclusions, yet because we cannot see beyond the peaks of some mountain range does not mean the edge of the world resides on the other side.

All the mental backflips required to rationalize The Big Bang, and then from the other side of your mouth, murmur that it actually wasn't a "bang" but instead an "expansion" really just result in a colossal defrocking of the theory.

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Sorry, but if it's not actually a bang, don't call it a bang.

And if it seems that we don't really know what was going on, as we try to recreate a march back inward to the hypothetical origin singularity, and every time we try to walk events backward, they stop making sense, we just need to say we don't really know.

The Big Bang is a smelly theory, and it smells wrong. There's a lot of evidence of a really powerful event some 13 billion years ago, and it may have been transformative, but there's no basis to the claim that it was truly event zero.

Just as possible is that we're the fallout of some localized very large bang, that cleared out a radius of space time that is more distant than we can observe. This idea is not interchangeable with the big bang origin story of the universe. It's not an Occam's razor victory in favor of the big bang.

If we are stuck within a spatial temporal crater as the result of a non-unique very large bang, it would mean that we can look differently at how we model the bang, and come up with saner conclusions than "oh, it just popped into existence, and then went kablooey, and that's okay because the very idea of time is bound to that ever even happening at all."

Like, sorry, that hand wavey whitewash doesn't adequately paper over the possibility of retconning some nonsense into the narrative, because it would be a threat to academic authority to say "we don't know" regarding the nature of a hypothetical origin singularity.

I get that there's no evidence beyond the reaches of our deepest observations, but it's lazy to put forward that because we can't grasp at evidence beyond certain terrestrial limits, then we get to say that we know conclusively that the observable limits are known to be the actual limits and thus the assured origin of all space time.

What we should say is that there is a depth beyond which we cannot summon further evidence, and while there seems to be some tumultuous event back there, we don't know what happens prior to that or where that limit comes from.

Because we really don't know.

Re:How Can a Star Be Older Than the Universe? on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @05:58PM (#21276378)
Hypothesis 3: Due to inherently incomplete information, our understanding of the age of the universe is not yet perfectly correct, and the universe may be older than current models and theory.

Strap yourselves in folks, maybe The Big Bang is but one event woven amid a deeper tapestry of events, significant only in its capacity to occlude deeper periods of time.

It should surprise no one that we might be wrong about some centralized, focal aspect of the universe, given how wrong we've been before, about things we assumed to be the center or origin, previously.