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If, in your definition, basic income is neutral on what the marginal tax rate is, then your statement "We already know how to design a program that won't discourage work. It's called a basic income." doesn't make sense. You are trying to have it both ways, making claims about basic income, but when I challenge one, redefining basic income to be broader, while ignoring the fact that the original claim only makes sense for the narrow definition.

See my other post for answers to the rest.

The budget has to balance, so the question is not how much the system costs, but what are the incentive effects on the (wealthier) people who pay for it. If you agree with me that phasing the benefit out slowly "costs a lot" then you actually agree with my reasoning.
(reply in place of broken edit functionality) Actually I think the main reason why we have a high marginal tax rate on low income people, is a deeper reason which is that incentives on the bottom end are more "expensive" because they propagate upwards. E.g. to incentivize a person earning $10000 a year, you need to give then $X for every dollar they earn, but then these affects the after tax earnings of everyone earning above $10000 a year. Sorry if this is vague but this comes from various results/methods in mechanism design theory. Unfortunately as is often the case, the advocates of basic income (not you in particular) are too political, while the economists don't chime in on political matters when they should.
And in particular what is really happening is that the disincentive (which is created by any taxation for any purpose) is being spread more evenly throughout the population

Agreed, which is why I object to your statement that: We already know how to design a program that won't discourage work. It's not that basic income discourages work more or less, but that it evens out the marginal tax rate. This might be a good or a bad thing, but your original post contains no argument either way. You run a very strong risk of the reader misinterpreting what you are saying, and believing that there will be a uniform improvement in incentives across the whole population.

which all else equal can be expected to have less effect on behaviour than concentrating the effect on a subgroup which will then be much more compelled to react to it.

I think the main argument behind the current system is that low income people need the money, and therefore are less affected by the marginal tax rate.

Moreover, how the taxes are collected is separate from the basic income. If we find that it is for some strange reason better to charge a higher marginal rate to lower income people than higher income people then we can have a basic income and yet still do that.

Either "basic income" should be used to denote a flat tax plus basic income, or a varying marginal tax plus basic income. Your first post implies the former to the exclusion of the latter. I think you are changing the definition because it's important to you that basic income "win", but really there are two separate issues, which are negative taxation vs welfare, and fixed vs varying effective marginal tax rates. Each of these issues should be decided independently on their own merits.

It's a complex issue. But it's something that needs to be made explicit in any discussion, not swept under the rug. I'm not saying I'm able to resolve this issue myself, but I think that basic income advocates need to be challenged whenever they use misleading argumentation, even if they are ultimately correct.

At any income level you can make arguments why their work output would be more/less sensitive to taxation. We are talking about a difference in a difference (how much one group changes their work in response to tax, vs another) and not absolutes, which complicates matters. E.g. poor people need the money more, so maybe they are less responsive to marginal tax rates.

Also, there are some taxes where the disincentive effect is beneficial. Basic income funded by a carbon tax seems like a good combination.

Pollution taxes are a good idea for their own sake, but they will only cover a tiny percentage of basic income or welfare.

Basic income is a special case of negative income tax. The current welfare system resembles a negative income tax that has a very high marginal tax rate on low income earners (because welfare is means-tested).

But because budgets have to balance, the current system has the advantage that it can have lower marginal tax rates on higher income earners.

Whether it makes sense to impose an especially high marginal tax rate on poorer people (and a lower marginal tax rate on richer people) is a complex question. But to claim that basic income solves the problem of incentives is wrong. Basic income just moves the disincentive effect to a different segment of workers.

Re:Coffee drinking linked to lower mortality risk again on Saturday November 21, 2015 @10:49PM (#10609004)
Fascinating study, and the journal article is free online[0]. It's an observational study, but of a single occupation and large N, with many other factors accounted for[1]. My take is that coffee, like other psychoactive substances, contains powerful chemicals that are likely to have some effect on total mortality. I will stick to my two cups a day.

[0] http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/early/2015/11/10/CIRCULA...

[1] The regression models included calendar time in 2-y intervals as the time scale, and were stratified by age in years. In the multivariable analysis, we further adjusted for body mass index (BMI), physical activity, overall dietary pattern (aHEI), total energy intake, smoking status, sugar-sweetened beverage consumption and alcohol consumption, all of which were updated from follow-up questionnaires.

Re:Scurvy is common and should be diagnosed and treated on Saturday November 21, 2015 @10:44AM (#10607026)
That part was meant to be funny, though it's also true.
Re:Scurvy is common and should be diagnosed and treated on Saturday November 21, 2015 @12:59AM (#10605853)
I will probably get bored of it, but the sandwich is also a sweet spot in terms of preparation time vs healthiness. It also depends how much you like avocado. One avocado over two sandwiches is a lot, and I select avocados carefully for optimal ripeness.
Re:Scurvy is common and should be diagnosed and treated on Saturday November 21, 2015 @12:21AM (#10605758)
This might still be on the complex side, but I've been doing this diet on and off for about 2 months. I created a webapp to do the simple math of counting calories and other macros, but a simple spreadsheet would also work.

Breakfast: Coffee

Lunch: Turkey and avocado sandwich (1 Avocado, 4 slices bread, lettuce, cucumber, 4 slices of sliced smoked turkey).

Afternoon snack: 1 banana and 43g pure almond butter.

Dinner: Varying meals made in batches to make up ~2000 calories per day. This week (qty per day) was turkey chili: 1 can red kidney beans, 8oz ground turkey, spices, and a few corn tortillas.

I started out with much more complex recipes, but simplified the diet to minimize preparation time. Also the lettuce, cucumber and bananas I get from work.